ANC’s message to South Africa: Apartheid caused most problems and don’t judge us on our historic record

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cr@zydude said:
I see that posted often, but I'll challenge that US black income number, as it seems ridiculous.

The US census bureau put median annual black American incomes in 1974 at $7 810, so $650 per month, not the $140 which you posted.
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Take it up with the author of the book...
By 1974 the average monthly earnings of black workers in productive
industry were the equivalent of 127 US dollars (usually with considerable
extras in kind and other perks). At the same time 24 million workers
in the USA, the richest country in the world, were earning less than 140
dollars a month.
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In 3 decades of rule so many aspects of South African society have deteriorated. This is not Apartheid's fault.

We should have been seeing improvement long ago. We were funnily enough, seeing improvement under Mbeki's rule. Since then though it's been absolutely downhill and it only seems to be accelerating now.

This is very clearly not Apartheid's fault.
 
porchrat said:
In 3 decades of rule so many aspects of South African society have deteriorated. This is not Apartheid's fault.

We should have been seeing improvement long ago. We were funnily enough, seeing improvement under Mbeki's rule. Since then though it's been absolutely downhill and it only seems to be accelerating now.

This is very clearly not Apartheid's fault.
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The problem is that the improvements under mbekis rule is exactly what the ruling class doesnt want, and they have manafed to convince the masses they also didnt want it.

The Mbeki's are clever blacks remember, full of eurocentric ideas, and are never to be trusted.
 
porchrat said:
In 3 decades of rule so many aspects of South African society have deteriorated. This is not Apartheid's fault.

We should have been seeing improvement long ago. We were funnily enough, seeing improvement under Mbeki's rule. Since then though it's been absolutely downhill and it only seems to be accelerating now.

This is very clearly not Apartheid's fault.
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It took a while for Mbeki's policies and broken ANC promises to filter through. Mbeki was riding the Mandela wave. Mandela was riding the New South Africa wave.
 
Zellephant said:
The problem is that the improvements under mbekis rule is exactly what the ruling class doesnt want, and they have manafed to convince the masses they also didnt want it.

The Mbeki's are clever blacks remember, full of eurocentric ideas, and are never to be trusted.
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Mbeki was the one that caused loadshitting nevermind the arms deal and aids denial.
 
wingnut771 said:
Mbeki was the one that caused loadshitting nevermind the arms deal and aids denial.
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I give him a free pass on the aids denial, the more people aids could take out, the better. I think aids was one of mother natures master strokes, and unfortunately medical science has spent way too much and worked way to hard to treat and potentially even cure it - the best thing we could have done with aids is leave it alone and let it do its job.

Only healthcare workers and babies born from mothers already infected should be treated with ARVs
 
wingnut771 said:
He also started BEE and centralised the Office of The Presidency powers:
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You are aware how the ANC operates right? If you really think the sitting president did all of that out of his own volition, then I have a bridge to sell you.

If he was really driving all these things that the RET factions do despresrely supports, why where they so eager to get rid of him and replace him with Zuma?
 
Zellephant said:
I give him a free pass on the aids denial, the more people aids could take out, the better. I think aids was one of mother natures master strokes, and unfortunately medical science has spent way too much and worked way to hard to treat and potentially even cure it - the best thing we could have done with aids is leave it alone and let it do its job.

Only healthcare workers and babies born from mothers already infected should be treated with ARVs
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Wow.
 
Zellephant said:
You are aware how the ANC operates right? If you really think the sitting president did all of that out of his own volition, then I have a bridge to sell you.

If he was really driving all these things that the RET factions do despresrely supports, why where they so eager to get rid of him and replace him with Zuma?
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He was too slow and pragmatic, thats the only reason they wanted to replace him, he was still RET though, just not as radical.
 
Mandela: I have fought against white domination and I have fought against black domination. I have carried the idea of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunity, it is an idea which I hope to live for and to achieve but if needs be, its is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.

Mbeki: **** that ****

 
vigras rojara said:
Wow.
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Don’t you think it’s such an incredibly wonderfully clever disease. It’s essentially incurable, but at the same time it is almost impossible to get as long as you just live a reasonably morally upstanding life.

There is such wonderful irony in that. So basically it’s a disease the selectively only wipes out drug addicts and people who sleep around prolifically. Your best bet in life not to get this horrible incurable disease is to essentially not be a junky, and be faithful to your spouse.
 
Zellephant said:
Don’t you think it’s such an incredibly wonderfully clever disease. It’s essentially incurable, but at the same time it is almost impossible to get as long as you just live a reasonably morally upstanding life.

There is such wonderful irony in that. So basically it’s a disease the selectively only wipes out drug addicts and people who sleep around prolifically. Your best bet in life not to get this horrible incurable disease is to essentially not be a junky, and be faithful to your spouse.
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To marvel at and celebrate a disease like that, is just something I can't identify with.

Not to mention that you might be faithful to your spouse, but they might not be faithful to you. And of course the number of orphans leaving the disease untreated would lead to.

Sorry, but I think to describe it as "one of mother nature's masterstrokes" is just seriously sick.
 
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