At what point do you sell your car?

[ljw1304]

I will drive it into the ground. It is still functional but worth very little. I can't justify replacing it.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Had my Getz for 16 years. Still going strong. In for some major work right now, but i'll keep it as long as i can.

hang on to the Getz, will work when all these new fangled Chinese car of the week die due to nobody being able to decipher the repair manuals

 

[Supervan II]

I would like to see you trying to replace anything yourself in a modern car - or even any car made after 2015.
Some cars ( and I won't name them) even require a reprogramming after replacing the battery. I expect that the same will be required in the near future when you change tyres.

Hence me driving it into the ground!

 

[thestaggy]

I wonder why a 2010 opel cant get spares but your 21 year old can?

So that was my 2010 Opel.

GM pulled out of South Africa and that iteration of Opel was GM (the Opels you see today are Stellantis and share platforms and mechancials with Peugeot/Citroen). Is was also more than 10-years old and that is the period for which a manufacturer has to carry inventory. Beyond that, they don't have to.

So, the importer/distributor/manufacturer pulled out of SA and they stopped bringing spares in.

Opel has also never been a popular brand and I used to get mocked for driving one (''Haha, unreliable"), so the aftermarket support wasn't the same as VW, Toyota, or BMW for example.

And just to clarify, I could get spares, but imported at huge cost from Europe (the Corsa was a populr car in the UK). I wasn't paying R9,000 rand (exlc VAT) for a freaking manual window winder. In the end I found a place in Pretoria that manufactures cables (throttle cables, brake cables, etc) and they repaired the cable for me and it only cost be R1500 IRC.

 

[thestaggy]

I would like to see you trying to replace anything yourself in a modern car - or even any car made after 2015.
Some cars ( and I won't name them) even require a reprogramming after replacing the battery. I expect that the same will be required in the near future when you change tyres.

Yep. There is a car channel I watch on YT and it is insane how you have to strip the engine down to replace things, even for simple stuff. And the mechanics constantly b*tch about it and specifically the German cars, sarcastically commenting on German engineering. Sure, they may be reliable, but they are not easy to work on, extremely complicated, expensive to maintain and very little is accessible. A lot of the mechanics are Eastern European and they often comment that growing up in Estonia or Poland you wanted to drive a German car because they were reliable, readily available and easy to maintain. Not so much anymore.

A great example is the 3l VW/Audi TDI. Absolute beast of an engine, but you don't want to be the owner when it needs a major service or repairs.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Yep. There is a car channel I watch on YT and it is insane how you have to strip the engine down to replace things, even for simple stuff. And the mechanics constantly b*tch about it and specifically the German cars, sarcastically commenting on German engineering. Sure, they may be reliable, but they are not easy to work on, extremely complicated and very little is accessible. A lot of the mechanics are Eastern European and they often comment that growing up in Estonia or Poland you wanted to drive a German car because they were reliable, readily available and easy to maintain. Not so much anymore.

so being a fanatic about an Asian car really is the only way to drive a reliable older car?

everything else just isn't designed to last, and why webuycars literally has rows and rows of German cars but few Asian cars, as people hang on to those and don't sell them,

 

[wingnut771]

So that was my 2010 Opel.

GM pulled out of South Africa and that iteration of Opel was GM (the Opels you see today are Stellantis and share platforms and mechancials with Peugeot/Citroen). Is was also more than 10-years old and that is the period for which a manufacturer has to carry inventory. Beyond that, they don't have to.

So, the importer/distributor/manufacturer pulled out of SA and they stopped bringing spares in.

Opel has also never been a popular brand and I used to get mocked for driving one (''Haha, unreliable"), so the aftermarket support wasn't the same as VW, Toyota, or BMW for example.

And just to clarify, I could get spares, but imported at huge cost from Europe (the Corsa was a populr car in the UK). I wasn't paying R9,000 rand (exlc VAT) for a freaking manual window winder. In the end I found a place in Pretoria that manufactures cables (throttle cables, brake cables, etc) and they repaired the cable for me and it only cost be R1500 IRC.

I've always driven VW then one day I decided to get this cheap as chips corsa classic 1.6 thinking it would be nice and economical like the 1.6 polo. Boy was I wrong. Other than that and the rust around the windscreen and water in the footwell after it rained, it was a nice car.

 

[wingnut771]

Yep. There is a car channel I watch on YT and it is insane how you have to strip the engine down to replace things, even for simple stuff. And the mechanics constantly b*tch about it and specifically the German cars, sarcastically commenting on German engineering. Sure, they may be reliable, but they are not easy to work on, extremely complicated, expensive to maintain and very little is accessible. A lot of the mechanics are Eastern European and they often comment that growing up in Estonia or Poland you wanted to drive a German car because they were reliable, readily available and easy to maintain. Not so much anymore.

A great example is the 3l VW/Audi TDI. Absolute beast of an engine, but you don't want to be the owner when it needs a major service or repairs.

I am said owner (CDUC engine code) with 235k on the clock. Looking forward to DIY replacing the oil cooler in the v section under the egr cooler that I will bypass "while in there"

 

[wingnut771]

so being a fanatic about an Asian car really is the only way to drive a reliable older car?

everything else just isn't designed to last, and why webuycars literally has rows and rows of German cars but few Asian cars, as people hang on to those and don't sell them,

Tempted to get a getz.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Tempted to get a getz.

they getting expensive now, and you really need to check for rust at the coast but honestly brilliant cars,
fixed mine up the other day, decided to fix the small rust parch I had around the aerial, before it spreads and starts leaking,
(apparently quite common seen many Getz with Rust around the Roof Aerial)

keep up with services, change cambelt in time, change oil, check the radiator hose and look at the engine mountings that like to go, but honestly besides that starts everyday, parts easy to find, and full house as compared to other things out there.

accidentally brought a good car, although I think something like a Jazz or a Yaris might be better.

 

[thestaggy]

I've always driven VW then one day I decided to get this cheap as chips corsa classic 1.6 thinking it would be nice an economical like the 1.6 polo. Boy was a wrong. Other than that and the rust around the windscreen and water in the footwell after it rained, it was a nice car.

Mine was the big fatty Corsa D.

It looked exactly like this and I loved it. Never gave me a day's problem aside from the water pump failing on the highway, but that was after 14-years. 1.4l engine that gave me around 6.4l/100km depending. Solid build quality and easy to maintain.

My biggest gripe was replacing the headlight bulbs on the passenger side. Due to idiotic layout of the engine bay, you had to drop the front bumper and removed the entire headlight cluster to gain access to the bulbs. To this day I will initiate a fist fight with the person who designed it that way.

 

[thestaggy]

so being a fanatic about an Asian car really is the only way to drive a reliable older car?

everything else just isn't designed to last, and why webuycars literally has rows and rows of German cars but few Asian cars, as people hang on to those and don't sell them,

Japanese manufacturers tend to be on the conservative side in technology implementation and design, so their cars tend to be a little more simplified when compared to their German rivals (the Germans and Japanese have historically been the benchmark for reliable cars). This leads to maintenance being easier and more affordable.

Their rampant popularity (Toyota specifically moves about 15k vehicles a month here, more than the next best 3 manufacturers combined) also means spares are extensively available. Scrapyards are also full of older Toyotas due to sheer number that have graced our roads over the decades.

 

[wingnut771]

they getting expensive now, and you really need to check for rust at the coast but honestly brilliant cars,
fixed mine up the other day, decided to fix the small rust parch I had around the aerial, before it spreads and starts leaking,
(apparently quite common seen many Getz with Rust around the Roof Aerial)

keep up with services, change cambelt in time, change oil, check the radiator hose and look at the engine mountings that like to go, but honestly besides that starts everyday, parts easy to find, and full house as compared to other things out there.

accidentally brought a good car, although I think something like a Jazz or a Yaris might be better.

must have aircon and ps.

 

[wingnut771]

Mine was the big fatty Corsa D.

It looked exactly like this and I loved it. Never gave me a day's problem aside from the water pump failing on the highway, but that was after 14-years. 1.4l engine that gave me around 6.4l/100km depending. Solid build quality and easy to maintain.

My biggest gripe was replacing the headlight bulbs on the passenger side. Due to idiotic layout of the engine bay, you had to drop the front bumper and removed the entire headlight cluster to gain access to the bulbs. To this day I will initiate a fist fight with the person who designed it that way.

Had one like this:

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Japanese manufacturers tend to be on the conservative side in technology implementation and design, so their cars tend to be a little more simplified when compared to their German rivals (the Germans and Japanese have historically been the benchmark for reliable cars). This leads to maintenance being easier and more affordable.

Their rampant popularity (Toyota specifically moves about 15k vehicles a month here, more than the next best 3 manufacturers combined) also means spares are extensively available. Scrapyards are also full of older Toyotas due to sheer number that have graced our roads over the decades.

exactly my point, why does it seem like everything else is trying to catch up to the Asians, Suzuki, Toyota , Honda, Nissan, ect..
everything else works until the warranty expires and then slowly falls apart, were as Asian cars are designed to be fixed.

why is this just the way things are? can nobody crack the nut of reliability besides the Asians?

 

[wingnut771]

Japanese manufacturers tend to be on the conservative side in technology implementation and design, so their cars tend to be a little more simplified when compared to their German rivals (the Germans and Japanese have historically been the benchmark for reliable cars). This leads to maintenance being easier and more affordable.

Their rampant popularity (Toyota specifically moves about 15k vehicles a month here, more than the next best 3 manufacturers combined) also means spares are extensively available. Scrapyards are also full of older Toyotas due to sheer number that have graced our roads over the decades.

I just cant deal with the indicator being on the wrong side of the steering wheel.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

must have aircon and ps.

most do, and EW and Airbag and ABS
honestly only old thing is the radio is a bit 2000's but you can always replace that.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

I just cant deal with the indicator being on the wrong side of the steering wheel.

you get used it it, like you do when you drive a Polo or a German car.

 

[wingnut771]

you get used it it, like you do when you drive a Polo or a German car.

My right arm sits on the door sill. Left arm is for changing gears, indicating and drinking beer. You can do that with a polo but not a corolla.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

My right arm sits on the door sill. Left arm is for changing gears, indicating and drinking beer. You can do that with a polo but not a corolla.

using ones non dominant hand to do those things helps build brain neurons, and you know what they say, use it or lose it
hence why the ANC are idiots, and keep buying Bentleys