RAM prices are ridiculous

FiestaST said:
We should get those in denial alkies from the booze thread to chime in here hey :laugh: :ROFL:
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Bunch of kare kunts who won't see past my religion is the only true religion and harp on kak to fit the shoe. Pointless and rather laughable when you reach that point where we have jesus takes the wheel / ai think for me.

Guess this post soon to make someone cry as an adult at an adult. *shrugs*. Blue hair…
 
FiestaST said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2087477102346203408
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I swear it has gotten dumber and dumber with time. A year or two ago, LLMs were sort of integrated into my daily workflow, now I barely use them.

I'm building a PC builder engine, and tried adding an "AI Opinion" button - I avoided token costs by having the button fire through the current build to a new ChatGPT chat (the hyperlink can contain a message). It went something like this:

PC specs somewhere along the lines of 225F/16GB/1TB/RTX5060 for R 25k, including a R 400 air cooler.

  • Prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs] for [price]
  • GPT: That PC is terrible value for money, with a lot of wasted budget. The 3rd party 120mm air cooler isn't necessary, and I'd like to see RAM increased to 32GB or even 64GB instead of wasting money on a cooler. Additionally, a 1TB SSD won't get you far, and I'd like to see it at least doubled. The rest of the specs are too low end for the budget, you can do much better.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs] for [price]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so.
  • GPT: (blah blah blah) Going from 16GB to 32GB RAM will only cost around R 800 more, and doubling the SSD to 2TB should be around R 1,000.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so.
  • GPT: You're being ripped off. 2x8GB RAM for R 5,000 is absolutely laughable. You can get 2x16GB for around R 2,200, and even 2x32GB is less than R 5,000. 1TB SSDs can be had for around R 1,000, so being asked R 3,000 is insane. This explains why the rest of the build is outrageously underspec'd for the price - you're being taken for a ride to the tune of around R 6,000 of your R 25,000 budget. Shop elsewhere.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so. Verify current online pricing for RAM and SSDs at major South African retailers before doing so.
  • GPT: (approximately as above). I found the following 32GB DDR5-6000 with tight CL30 timings for R 2,099 [link to an article about building a gaming PC in 2024].
  • Me: Check the date of that article
  • GPT: My bad

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so. Verify current online pricing for RAM and SSDs at major international outlets such as Amazon, NewEgg, BestBuy, and Micro Center before assessing the value of the build.
  • GPT: I appear to be having issues at the moment. I can't find 16GB RAM that translates to less than R 4,500 at the moment, which is impossible.
  • Me: Do a broad search on component pricing including CPUs, motherboards, RAM, GPUs, SSDs, PSUs, etc - look up pricing on these specs as well as higher and lower end, then reassess the build.
  • GPT: Yup, something is definitely wrong. I'm seeing RTX 5080s going for between around R 30,000 and R 40,000, and I know you can get them for under R 24,000. I'm also seeing 64GB RAM kits going for in excess of R 20,000 when they should be under R 5,000. I suggest opening these links as I appear to be having issues correctly reading the prices. [a few links]
  • Me: Those prices are correct
  • GPT: There was probably a pricing error, as those prices are definitely wrong. You should call or email the stores to get accurate pricing.
Yes, it started adding emphasis when I pushed back. I gave up and removed the button altogether.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:
Seems pricing will be going up a bit more. Importers of electronics will now have to pay "anti-dumping" levies. Backdated to 2021.

@Progenix Oj101 - not sure if you head of this?
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I haven't heard anything about that. Got a link to the gazette/tariff notice/whatever?
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
I swear it has gotten dumber and dumber with time. A year or two ago, LLMs were sort of integrated into my daily workflow, now I barely use them.

I'm building a PC builder engine, and tried adding an "AI Opinion" button - I avoided token costs by having the button fire through the current build to a new ChatGPT chat (the hyperlink can contain a message). It went something like this:

PC specs somewhere along the lines of 225F/16GB/1TB/RTX5060 for R 25k, including a R 400 air cooler.

  • Prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs] for [price]
  • GPT: That PC is terrible value for money, with a lot of wasted budget. The 3rd party 120mm air cooler isn't necessary, and I'd like to see RAM increased to 32GB or even 64GB instead of wasting money on a cooler. Additionally, a 1TB SSD won't get you far, and I'd like to see it at least doubled. The rest of the specs are too low end for the budget, you can do much better.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs] for [price]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so.
  • GPT: (blah blah blah) Going from 16GB to 32GB RAM will only cost around R 800 more, and doubling the SSD to 2TB should be around R 1,000.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so.
  • GPT: You're being ripped off. 2x8GB RAM for R 5,000 is absolutely laughable. You can get 2x16GB for around R 2,200, and even 2x32GB is less than R 5,000. 1TB SSDs can be had for around R 1,000, so being asked R 3,000 is insane. This explains why the rest of the build is outrageously underspec'd for the price - you're being taken for a ride to the tune of around R 6,000 of your R 25,000 budget. Shop elsewhere.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so. Verify current online pricing for RAM and SSDs at major South African retailers before doing so.
  • GPT: (approximately as above). I found the following 32GB DDR5-6000 with tight CL30 timings for R 2,099 [link to an article about building a gaming PC in 2024].
  • Me: Check the date of that article
  • GPT: My bad

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so. Verify current online pricing for RAM and SSDs at major international outlets such as Amazon, NewEgg, BestBuy, and Micro Center before assessing the value of the build.
  • GPT: I appear to be having issues at the moment. I can't find 16GB RAM that translates to less than R 4,500 at the moment, which is impossible.
  • Me: Do a broad search on component pricing including CPUs, motherboards, RAM, GPUs, SSDs, PSUs, etc - look up pricing on these specs as well as higher and lower end, then reassess the build.
  • GPT: Yup, something is definitely wrong. I'm seeing RTX 5080s going for between around R 30,000 and R 40,000, and I know you can get them for under R 24,000. I'm also seeing 64GB RAM kits going for in excess of R 20,000 when they should be under R 5,000. I suggest opening these links as I appear to be having issues correctly reading the prices. [a few links]
  • Me: Those prices are correct
  • GPT: There was probably a pricing error, as those prices are definitely wrong. You should call or email the stores to get accurate pricing.
Yes, it started adding emphasis when I pushed back. I gave up and removed the button altogether.


I haven't heard anything about that. Got a link to the gazette/tariff notice/whatever?
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Yeah I've noticed similar type issues nowadays vs what it was like 2 years ago.
 
Lupus said:
Yeah I've noticed similar type issues nowadays vs what it was like 2 years ago.
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The Dunning-Kruger effect is real - as is the gaslighting that goes with it. It has gone from extremely useful to borderline useless for a lot of things :/

The only thing I find it useful now is the really arb search, where you're looking for something a bit too specific and niche to easily find on Google.
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
I swear it has gotten dumber and dumber with time. A year or two ago, LLMs were sort of integrated into my daily workflow, now I barely use them.

I'm building a PC builder engine, and tried adding an "AI Opinion" button - I avoided token costs by having the button fire through the current build to a new ChatGPT chat (the hyperlink can contain a message). It went something like this:

PC specs somewhere along the lines of 225F/16GB/1TB/RTX5060 for R 25k, including a R 400 air cooler.

  • Prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs] for [price]
  • GPT: That PC is terrible value for money, with a lot of wasted budget. The 3rd party 120mm air cooler isn't necessary, and I'd like to see RAM increased to 32GB or even 64GB instead of wasting money on a cooler. Additionally, a 1TB SSD won't get you far, and I'd like to see it at least doubled. The rest of the specs are too low end for the budget, you can do much better.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs] for [price]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so.
  • GPT: (blah blah blah) Going from 16GB to 32GB RAM will only cost around R 800 more, and doubling the SSD to 2TB should be around R 1,000.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so.
  • GPT: You're being ripped off. 2x8GB RAM for R 5,000 is absolutely laughable. You can get 2x16GB for around R 2,200, and even 2x32GB is less than R 5,000. 1TB SSDs can be had for around R 1,000, so being asked R 3,000 is insane. This explains why the rest of the build is outrageously underspec'd for the price - you're being taken for a ride to the tune of around R 6,000 of your R 25,000 budget. Shop elsewhere.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so. Verify current online pricing for RAM and SSDs at major South African retailers before doing so.
  • GPT: (approximately as above). I found the following 32GB DDR5-6000 with tight CL30 timings for R 2,099 [link to an article about building a gaming PC in 2024].
  • Me: Check the date of that article
  • GPT: My bad

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so. Verify current online pricing for RAM and SSDs at major international outlets such as Amazon, NewEgg, BestBuy, and Micro Center before assessing the value of the build.
  • GPT: I appear to be having issues at the moment. I can't find 16GB RAM that translates to less than R 4,500 at the moment, which is impossible.
  • Me: Do a broad search on component pricing including CPUs, motherboards, RAM, GPUs, SSDs, PSUs, etc - look up pricing on these specs as well as higher and lower end, then reassess the build.
  • GPT: Yup, something is definitely wrong. I'm seeing RTX 5080s going for between around R 30,000 and R 40,000, and I know you can get them for under R 24,000. I'm also seeing 64GB RAM kits going for in excess of R 20,000 when they should be under R 5,000. I suggest opening these links as I appear to be having issues correctly reading the prices. [a few links]
  • Me: Those prices are correct
  • GPT: There was probably a pricing error, as those prices are definitely wrong. You should call or email the stores to get accurate pricing.
Yes, it started adding emphasis when I pushed back. I gave up and removed the button altogether.


I haven't heard anything about that. Got a link to the gazette/tariff notice/whatever?
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Like many you are making a type 1 error.

You believe LLMs are rational, reasoning, models. They are not. They are interesting bits of math that spew training data back at you. If the data you're looking for wasn't included then it will behave in exactly this manner.

This is not a surprise. It's how LLMs work.
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
I swear it has gotten dumber and dumber with time. A year or two ago, LLMs were sort of integrated into my daily workflow, now I barely use them.

I'm building a PC builder engine, and tried adding an "AI Opinion" button - I avoided token costs by having the button fire through the current build to a new ChatGPT chat (the hyperlink can contain a message). It went something like this:

PC specs somewhere along the lines of 225F/16GB/1TB/RTX5060 for R 25k, including a R 400 air cooler.

  • Prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs] for [price]
  • GPT: That PC is terrible value for money, with a lot of wasted budget. The 3rd party 120mm air cooler isn't necessary, and I'd like to see RAM increased to 32GB or even 64GB instead of wasting money on a cooler. Additionally, a 1TB SSD won't get you far, and I'd like to see it at least doubled. The rest of the specs are too low end for the budget, you can do much better.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs] for [price]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so.
  • GPT: (blah blah blah) Going from 16GB to 32GB RAM will only cost around R 800 more, and doubling the SSD to 2TB should be around R 1,000.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so.
  • GPT: You're being ripped off. 2x8GB RAM for R 5,000 is absolutely laughable. You can get 2x16GB for around R 2,200, and even 2x32GB is less than R 5,000. 1TB SSDs can be had for around R 1,000, so being asked R 3,000 is insane. This explains why the rest of the build is outrageously underspec'd for the price - you're being taken for a ride to the tune of around R 6,000 of your R 25,000 budget. Shop elsewhere.

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so. Verify current online pricing for RAM and SSDs at major South African retailers before doing so.
  • GPT: (approximately as above). I found the following 32GB DDR5-6000 with tight CL30 timings for R 2,099 [link to an article about building a gaming PC in 2024].
  • Me: Check the date of that article
  • GPT: My bad

  • Adjusted prompt: Please analyze this [purpose] computing with the following specs [specs with individual pricing]. Keep in mind the current DRAM and NAND situation and therefore inflated prices when doing so. Verify current online pricing for RAM and SSDs at major international outlets such as Amazon, NewEgg, BestBuy, and Micro Center before assessing the value of the build.
  • GPT: I appear to be having issues at the moment. I can't find 16GB RAM that translates to less than R 4,500 at the moment, which is impossible.
  • Me: Do a broad search on component pricing including CPUs, motherboards, RAM, GPUs, SSDs, PSUs, etc - look up pricing on these specs as well as higher and lower end, then reassess the build.
  • GPT: Yup, something is definitely wrong. I'm seeing RTX 5080s going for between around R 30,000 and R 40,000, and I know you can get them for under R 24,000. I'm also seeing 64GB RAM kits going for in excess of R 20,000 when they should be under R 5,000. I suggest opening these links as I appear to be having issues correctly reading the prices. [a few links]
  • Me: Those prices are correct
  • GPT: There was probably a pricing error, as those prices are definitely wrong. You should call or email the stores to get accurate pricing.
Yes, it started adding emphasis when I pushed back. I gave up and removed the button altogether.


I haven't heard anything about that. Got a link to the gazette/tariff notice/whatever?
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LLMs have, for lack of a better term, dated info, hence why it's living in the past with good RAM prices.

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Progenix Oj101 said:
The Dunning-Kruger effect is real - as is the gaslighting that goes with it. It has gone from extremely useful to borderline useless for a lot of things :/

The only thing I find it useful now is the really arb search, where you're looking for something a bit too specific and niche to easily find on Google.
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it can help collate things together as well
 
rustypup said:
Like many you are making a type 1 error.

You believe LLMs are rational, reasoning, models. They are not. They are interesting bits of math that spew training data back at you. If the data you're looking for wasn't included then it will behave in exactly this manner.

This is not a surprise. It's how LLMs work.
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No, there's a definite change in the behaviour. When GPT first got open internet access (as in it could access websites - probably 2-3 years ago), it could correct itself using links you supplied, doing a search for current information, etc. These days, it says that the current info is incorrect. A typical chat used to go:

  • Me: [xyz]
  • GPT: [incorrect info]
  • Me: No, look at [link]
  • GPT: [searching] You're right, [xyz] has changed - I have found multiple sources confirming this

vs now

  • Me: [xyz]
  • GPT: [incorrect info]
  • Me: No, look at [link]
  • GPT: [searching] That link is wrong
  • Me: Fine, here are 3 more links [links]
  • GPT: I know it appears that way, but it's wrong
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
No, there's a definite change in the behaviour. When GPT first got open internet access (as in it could access websites - probably 2-3 years ago), it could correct itself using links you supplied, doing a search for current information, etc. These days, it says that the current info is incorrect. A typical chat used to go:

  • Me: [xyz]
  • GPT: [incorrect info]
  • Me: No, look at [link]
  • GPT: [searching] You're right, [xyz] has changed - I have found multiple sources confirming this

vs now

  • Me: [xyz]
  • GPT: [incorrect info]
  • Me: No, look at [link]
  • GPT: [searching] That link is wrong
  • Me: Fine, here are 3 more links [links]
  • GPT: I know it appears that way, but it's wrong
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ChatGPT has really become dumb AF.

I was doing something the other day and had to correct it at least 5 times to go to the right source (was editing something) and it still messed it up so badly.

I have been using Claude as well but a free version and comparing Gemini vs ChatGPT vs Claude its so obvious ChatGPT is just straight stupid.
 
CrypticZA said:
ChatGPT has really become dumb AF.

I was doing something the other day and had to correct it at least 5 times to go to the right source (was editing something) and it still messed it up so badly.

I have been using Claude as well but a free version and comparing Gemini vs ChatGPT vs Claude its so obvious ChatGPT is just straight stupid.
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Interestingly I have found Grok really good but they are tight fisted with the free tokens vs the rest of them
 
The problem I have with most LLMs is that they lead with the prompt. In many such instances, parameters are set and not adhered to. I have seen chatbots behave well outside their scope without any exploitative techniques. Even where you have a source (e.g. a database), a model can get all mixed up, Mother Goose. Some call it hallucinations, but I say it is due to lacking human due diligence.

In time, these kinks will get worked out, but... even given this state, it is already deployed in production.

Way more consistent with coding tasks.

All that said, now can't say much here, but let's say a NOC deployed agents only to mess up big time. My advice: you have to treat this automation as you would treat any human being. There are steps to these processes. Some people trust AI so much today that they skip staging and even backups. Still, I blame this on poor management. It is important to vet all rules and the order OF things.

There is a remedy in multi-agent deployments, task-oriented. Though it does have its issues, you can't trust it blindly.

Anyhow, that is all I have to add to this topic today.
 
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