Worst movie or series plot hole?

rustypup said:
Accidentally. His involvment actually resulted in worse outcomes for people around him.
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The other option is that by reclaiming it for the US, he prevented the ark from being reclaimed by the Nazis and possibly being opened in front of Hitler, which would have melted him too... :oops:
 
rustypup said:
Still not mention of Raiders of the Lost Ark?!!

You folks are slacking

Indie could have wandered off to a tropical island and gottten sloshed on cheap booze and loose women with the exact same impact on the outcome as his "active" involvment achieved.
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Not really, Marian would be tortured and killed, they wouldnt have found the location without Indy, if they did find it they would have all remained on the island dead. The ark also wouldn't have gone to the US.
 
Lupus said:
Not really, Marian would be tortured and killed, they wouldnt have found the location without Indy, if they did find it they would have all remained on the island dead. The ark also wouldn't have gone to the US.
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Yup, and they would have found the ark a whole lot quicker as they would have had the actual medallion with the writing on both sides.
 
Cray said:
Yup, and they would have found the ark a whole lot quicker as they would have had the actual medallion with the writing on both sides.
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Yeah they would have, sure he didn't directly defeat the villian and their plans but he helped. Temple of Doom is technically the only one where his actions directly effect the outcome and kill the villian.
 
rustypup said:
Still not mention of Raiders of the Lost Ark?!!

You folks are slacking

Indie could have wandered off to a tropical island and gottten sloshed on cheap booze and loose women with the exact same impact on the outcome as his "active" involvment achieved.
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I've never been able to watch the complete movie.

Snoozefest...

Shoot me.
 
Prawnapple said:
I see, can't they just rebuild them? Sure it will just take some OP wizard and bam, they have some new ones.

I just dislike the "no alternative timelines" vibe, how else does one timetravel effectively? :D
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They were reintroduced in Harry Potter and the Cursed Child and they possessed the ability to travel further back in time than the original ones. But the Cursed Child has pissed off a chunk of the fanbase with the new time turners being one of the main problems. Even though Rowling was creatively involved in the story, she didn't write it and a lot of things it introduces clashes with established canon.

As for why they don't create alternate timelines, the way they were written and how it was used in the story is that they give you more usable time and not the ability to change things, along with giving you a better understanding of how things played out.

Hermione uses it to attend more classes. She basically keeps going back to the same time of day, allowing her to attend simultaneous classes.

When they save the Hippogriff, they travel a few hours earlier in the afternoon, untie the Hippogriff and lead it away, seemingly saving it from being killed. There is a key piece here that clearly illustrates how the time turner works. In the ''original'' timeline, Harry and Hermione are in Hagrid's hut and they know the executioner is on the way. They want to stay and comfort Hagrid, but he begs them to leave for their own safety. Hermione is then distracted after being hit in the head with something. She checks out the window and sees the executioner coming. They then leave and hear the axe swinging. They don't see it happen, but they know the executioner has come and the sound tells them the act has been carried out.

When they use the time turner, the time-travelling Harry and Hermione hide outside the hut. They see the executioner coming and the time-traveling Hermione picks up a stone and throws it at the window. This hits the ''original'' Hermione in the hut, who then checks the window and sees the executioner on his way. The original Harry and Haermione escape the hut while the time-traveling Hermione and Harry untie the Hippogriff, lead it away and watch the executioner swing his axe into a pumpkin out of frustration.

The Hippogriff always survived and they were always responsible for saving it. The executioner always swung his axe into the pumpkin and time-traveling Hermione was always responsible for the stone that alerted the original Hermione of the executioner's arrival by throwing the stone at herself. One closed-loop timeline.

Time travel tends to be a problem anyway when you think too hard. I don't know of any scenario where time travel is introduced and people weren't able to poke holes in it. Even Marvel lampooned time travel when they introduced it in Endgame. So I guess, just let it be so long as it helps the story move forward. 🤷‍♂️
 
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2012. The entire movie.

Love the ending though. The whole world has fallen apart, except for Africa for some reason. The entire African continent has risen, making the Drakensberg Mountains in KZN the new highest point on Earth (not Kilimanjaro). That's why they call Africa (or KZN) the Cape of Good Hope. Nice :unsure:
 
I don't mind plot holes nearly as much as constant "flashbacks".
Series that regularly or constantly switch the plot between current events & flashbacks annoys me to no end. I sometimes just turn it off and walk away 😜.

Walking Dead and Person of interest comes to mind.
 
Rocky movies.

I grew up on Rocky movies and have watched them many times over, but the irritating part for me is that everytime he starts training for the famous revenge fight, he always looks like he's never boxed before.
 
The Shawshank redemption. One of my favourite movies but I'd like to know how he stuck all four corners of the poster over the hole from inside the hole.
 
thestaggy said:
They were reintroduced in Harry Potter and the Cursed Child and they possessed the ability to travel further back in time than the original ones. But the Cursed Child has pissed off a chunk of the fanbase with the new time turners being one of the main problems. Even though Rowling was creatively involved in the story, she didn't write it and a lot of things it introduces clashes with established canon.

As for why they don't create alternate timelines, the way they were written and how it was used in the story is that they give you more usable time and not the ability to change things, along with giving you a better understanding of how things played out.

Hermione uses it to attend more classes. She basically keeps going back to the same time of day, allowing her to attend simultaneous classes.

When they save the Hippogriff, they travel a few hours earlier in the afternoon, untie the Hippogriff and lead it away, seemingly saving it from being killed. There is a key piece here that clearly illustrates how the time turner works. In the ''original'' timeline, Harry and Hermione are in Hagrid's hut and they know the executioner is on the way. They want to stay and comfort Hagrid, but he begs them to leave for their own safety. Hermione is then distracted after being hit in the head with something. She checks out the window and sees the executioner coming. They then leave and hear the axe swinging. They don't see it happen, but they know the executioner has come and the sound tells them the act has been carried out.

When they use the time turner, the time-travelling Harry and Hermione hide outside the hut. They see the executioner coming and the time-traveling Hermione picks up a stone and throws it at the window. This hits the ''original'' Hermione in the hut, who then checks the window and sees the executioner on his way. The original Harry and Haermione escape the hut while the time-traveling Hermione and Harry untie the Hippogriff, lead it away and watch the executioner swing his axe into a pumpkin out of frustration.

The Hippogriff always survived and they were always responsible for saving it. The executioner always swung his axe into the pumpkin and time-traveling Hermione was always responsible for the stone that alerted the original Hermione of the executioner's arrival by throwing the stone at herself. One closed-loop timeline.

Time travel tends to be a problem anyway when you think too hard. I don't know of any scenario where time travel is introduced and people weren't able to poke holes in it. Even Marvel lampooned time travel when they introduced it in Endgame. So I guess, just let it be so long as it helps the story move forward. 🤷‍♂️
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So I think the issue with the time turners was that they gave it to a child so she could attend extra classes.
Its wild because its obviously such a dangerous thing and seemed so irresponsible to give to a 13 year old just so she could fit more in her day.
The rationale is that Dumbledore knew that Harry needed help from Hermione with the horcruxes and so she needed to be clued up on everything. She was a brain box already but they needed her to be even better. So they gave her the time turner for one semester to kick start that.

Its still pretty weak a plot but I do think the time travel aspect is handled very well. You can't actually change the past, its already exactly how it will be after you go back in time.
 
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