Two Airlink Embraer 190s perform dangerously low flyover at Cape Town’s DHL Stadium

HAL 9000 said:
Comment by Juan Browne (blancolirio YT channel)...

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Juan Browne is the right person to watch on this issue. Veteran pilot, former military trainer, accident investigations, safety briefings. Key point:

Normalization of deviance - Wikipedia

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Normalization of deviance, according to American sociologist Diane Vaughan, is the process in which deviance from correct or proper behavior or rule becomes culturally normalized.

Vaughan defines the process where a clearly unsafe practice becomes considered normal if it does not immediately cause a catastrophe: "a long incubation period [before a final disaster] with early warning signs that were either misinterpreted, ignored or missed completely".
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Examples cited in Wikipedia include the Space Shuttle, and the Boeing 737 MAX:
The original example cited by Vaughan is the events leading to the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster in 1986, but the concept has also been applied to aviation safety, clinical practice in medicine, and the public's deviance from health measures aimed to stop the COVID-19 pandemic.

Normalization of deviance can exist in conjunction with corporate omerta where deviation from rules is held up by a code of silence surrounding the deviations or an unspoken agreement on rhetoric within a group of executives. One of the reasons Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 crashed was normalization of deviance enabled by corporate omerta and a "culture of silence".
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Full disclosure: I have long been subscribed to Juan's channel, and was granted moderator privileges in the YT comments section.
 
Gordon_R said:
Juan Browne is the right person to watch on this issue. Veteran pilot, former military trainer, accident investigations, safety briefings. Key point:

Normalization of deviance - Wikipedia

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Examples cited in Wikipedia include the Space Shuttle, and the Boeing 737 MAX:


Full disclosure: I have long been subscribed to Juan's channel, and was granted moderator privileges in the YT comments section.
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Who says its not the US and other nanny states that have deviated from normality?

I have no time for a society driven by fear with every decision based on a worst case scenario. That absolutely sucks the joy and life out of every situation.
 
Speedster said:
Who says its not the US and other nanny states that have deviated from normality?

I have no time for a society driven by fear with every decision based on a worst case scenario. That absolutely sucks the joy and life out of every situation.
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How do you even leave your house if you have to account for the worst case scenario all the time.

The risk of just getting hijacked in your own driveway is way too high.

Nobody lives like this because it is completely paralyzing. It is all pretentious and just used when they want to spoil other people's fun. It goes way beyond what is reasonable precautions and understanding the risk.
 
rietrot said:
How do you even leave your house if you have to account for the worst case scenario all the time.

The risk of just getting hijacked in your own driveway is way too high.

Nobody lives like this because it is completely paralyzing. It is all pretentious and just used when they want to spoil other people's fun. It goes way beyond what is reasonable precautions and understanding the risk.
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Difference is it you get hijacked noone will notice or care. If a plane hits a stadium full of 50 000, it's a different story.

This is probably why everyone is so concerned. They not worried about the taxis that will kill 30 after the game , or the gas trucks that drive past.
 
Gordon_R said:
Juan Browne is the right person to watch on this issue. Veteran pilot, former military trainer, accident investigations, safety briefings. Key point:

Normalization of deviance - Wikipedia

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Examples cited in Wikipedia include the Space Shuttle, and the Boeing 737 MAX:


Full disclosure: I have long been subscribed to Juan's channel, and was granted moderator privileges in the YT comments section.
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I don't think it should be normalised if I understand correctly. I also don't think they will fly this close ever again. The chances are they might not ever fly over the stadium again.

Oh well.

If this was Kings Park they would have stolen the planes hubcaps on the fly over. :p

P.S. really enjoyed watching that video
 
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Gordon_R said:
Juan Browne is the right person to watch on this issue. Veteran pilot, former military trainer, accident investigations, safety briefings. Key point:

Normalization of deviance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org


Examples cited in Wikipedia include the Space Shuttle, and the Boeing 737 MAX:


Full disclosure: I have long been subscribed to Juan's channel, and was granted moderator privileges in the YT comments section.
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Congrats?
 
RedViking said:
I'm very slow but I notice for the first time there are 3 dudes on the the roof.

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Yes, the 3 dudes on the roof are there to chase the birds away, so that there are no mid-air collisions... /s

P.S. Lots of things are missed about this event. People only seeing what they want to see.
 
There are many people on the roof. Post #4 on this thread the video is taken from the roof. There are also other videos on this thread taken from roof by different people.
 
Gordon_R said:
P.S. Lots of things are missed about this event. People only seeing what they want to see.
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That is not entirely true and a bad way to approach it. There are things you will also be missing. I don't have as much time as you and I am not retired having the whole day to dissect images and videos. So I see what I focus on and as the crumbs filter through, it doesn't mean I disregard which I don't focus on.
 
rietrot said:
How do you even leave your house if you have to account for the worst case scenario all the time.
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Work that involves machines is like this in many cases.
rietrot said:
The risk of just getting hijacked in your own driveway is way too high.

Nobody lives like this because it is completely paralyzing. It is all pretentious and just used when they want to spoil other people's fun. It goes way beyond what is reasonable precautions and understanding the risk.
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It's something you get used to. It doesn't paralyse you but simply makes you look at situations differently.
 
Hmm. Was an impressive maneuver but you can't deny if anything went wrong that low there would be very little time for recovery. The whole scenario with the "miracle on the Hudson" shows very well what happens when things go bad at low altitudes. At that height bird strike could be more likely and one stutter of those engines and a plane could have hit the stadium and the packed crowd. Guess what I am saying is I liked the stunt, but I also can't deny the risk involved.

Another example that is somewhat similar to this was the costa concordia. Regular dangerous maneuver on an experienced but very distracted captain (women on board the deck he was showing off to) and people died and big disaster unfolded all in the name of spectacle. Bad idea and safety standards were ignored.

Safety standards exist for reasons regardless of how experienced you are. The safety experts should decide the standard and the pilots stick to it. End of story for me.
 
Gordon_R said:
Juan Browne is the right person to watch on this issue. Veteran pilot, former military trainer, accident investigations, safety briefings. Key point:

Normalization of deviance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org


Examples cited in Wikipedia include the Space Shuttle, and the Boeing 737 MAX:


Full disclosure: I have long been subscribed to Juan's channel, and was granted moderator privileges in the YT comments section.
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and the public's deviance from health measures aimed to stop the COVID-19 pandemic.
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Ah yes The Great Covid Con of 19 :rolleyes:
 
Gordon_R said:
Juan Browne is the right person to watch on this issue. Veteran pilot, former military trainer, accident investigations, safety briefings. Key point:

Normalization of deviance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org


Examples cited in Wikipedia include the Space Shuttle, and the Boeing 737 MAX:


Full disclosure: I have long been subscribed to Juan's channel, and was granted moderator privileges in the YT comments section.
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I'll wait for Petter's view of this incident before I admit that I might be wrong.
 
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