Airline cancels last stadium fly-by after controversy in South Africa

Some people on these thread make me think of the people stealing petrol from crashed tankers.
All cheering while it does not explode
Cant think further than their noses.
 
I find this such an interesting reaction - despite having numerous reasons why this flyby was not a good idea, and the general consensus in the aviation community (PPRUNE etc) that this was unsafe, you still get people saying "the Karens have won". One could step by step explain the reasons why this wasn't a good idea, point to experts in the field saying why and explaining in great detail why this was deemed risky, there is still the head in the sand response that the reason was "Karens".

But I guess that's the internet for you...
 
oros said:
Typical, just some mamparras complaining about it instead of celebrating it, it gets canceled. Why? I would have enjoyed it if I was able to be there!
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Unfortunately, it is because this is the world we live in today, everyone is a Karen, even the Karens. So much of our world no longer exists solely because someone got offended.
 
hammell said:
I find this such an interesting reaction - despite having numerous reasons why this flyby was not a good idea, and the general consensus in the aviation community (PPRUNE etc) that this was unsafe, you still get people saying "the Karens have won". One could step by step explain the reasons why this wasn't a good idea, point to experts in the field saying why and explaining in great detail why this was deemed risky, there is still the head in the sand response that the reason was "Karens".

But I guess that's the internet for you...
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No.

The overreaction is unnecessary. Dangerous? Yes. Was there an issue? No.

You could just say "Don't go so low again, but well done".
 
I was poep dronk last night. Drove 100km/h home skipping 3 stop signs. I did not hit anything, there was no issue.
Can I have a well done?
 
netstrider said:
No.

The overreaction is unnecessary. Dangerous? Yes. Was there an issue? No.

You could just say "Don't go so low again, but well done".
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The point is that the aviation industry is so safe because it's a risk management environment - so when you do something you weigh up the risk and look at possible outcomes. The argument that, "well it worked so what's the problem" is not at all how things are looked at aviation. And this is the point that people are missing - so again, going back to the general consensus in the aviation industry that no one is doubting the skill and planning required to do this, nor is anyone denying the spectacle - the issue, as with all aviation movements, is about risk. Aviation is a safety focused industry - the risk of something going wrong is higher that accepted, and the outcome of a failure could have been catastrophic.
 
hammell said:
The point is that the aviation industry is so safe because it's a risk management environment - so when you do something you weigh up the risk and look at possible outcomes. The argument that, "well it worked so what's the problem" is not at all how things are looked at aviation. And this is the point that people are missing - so again, going back to the general consensus in the aviation industry that no one is doubting the skill and planning required to do this, nor is anyone denying the spectacle - the issue, as with all aviation movements, is about risk. Aviation is a safety focused industry - the risk of something going wrong is higher that accepted, and the outcome of a failure could have been catastrophic.
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so then explain the 1995 flyover in a 747, explain the rand airport landing of a Gigantic 747 on a tiny rand airport runway,
and all that was in the 90's and 00's why werent the rules tightened? why was it still technically allowed?

again people losing thier small marbles over a stunt that was performed safely, and Americans going bananas over something that every NASCAR race has, some by a B52 or the president on air force one.
 
netstrider said:
You were not approved to drive in the first place. These flights were approved.
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By?
While many people have pointed to South Africa’s generally excellent safety record in commercial aviation, SACAA itself has come under fire over its own safety failures.

In January 2020, three SACAA crew members died after one of the authority’s calibration aircraft crashed near George.

An independent report by the Ethiopian AAIB found that SACAA’s attempt to blame the crash on pilot error in its own investigation was erroneous.

It said SACAA had contravened a “slew” of its own aviation regulations before the flight, including allowing the calibration aircraft to operate with an expired airworthiness certificate.

The report recommended that the South African government separate SACAA’s accident investigation division from the aviation oversight authority to stop SACAA from policing itself.

The incident resurfaced after SACAA suspended airworthiness inspector Jeremiah Visser for raising concerns and safety questions regarding the crash through the company’s whistleblowing system.
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Jet-Fighter7700 said:
so then explain the 1995 flyover in a 747, explain the rand airport landing of a Gigantic 747 on a tiny rand airport runway,
and all that was in the 90's and 00's why werent the rules tightened? why was it still technically allowed?

again people losing thier small marbles over a stunt that was performed safely, and Americans going bananas over something that every NASCAR race has, some by a B52 or the president on air force one.
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Because safety in aviation is iterative - https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/data/Pages/monthly-dashboard.aspx will show you that data. So in other words things the you used to do, maybe you don't do any more as the industry has evolved and is more safe. So again, we can keep going back and pointing to things that did work, but you can also read accident reports and see the cause of accidents. For example, aircraft used to be able to fly over the crowd at airshows - read up about the 2002 Sknyliv Air Show or the Rammstein airshow - many people died (but they didn't before these accidents) - so now airshow protocol has changed.
 
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