New tax on licence discs proposed in South Africa

quovadis said:
Get rid of the RAF completely and add third party insurance cover to license discs or make third party insurance mandatory to issue/renew a license.
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Isn't this similar to the system we used to have before the RAF levy was introduced? What has changed to make it work this time around; more law abiding public, better enforcement, something else?
 
Mercury said:
Isn't this similar to the system we used to have before the RAF levy was introduced? What has changed to make it work this time around; more law abiding public, better enforcement, something else?
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I’m not too knowledgeable but earliest was compulsory insurance with only recourse being suing for damages.
 
Mercury said:
Isn't this similar to the system we used to have before the RAF levy was introduced? What has changed to make it work this time around; more law abiding public, better enforcement, something else?
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In other countries where insurance is mandatory they are ruthless with uninsured drivers. Criminal records, points off your license, even imprisonment and confiscation and crushing of your vehicle for offenders.
 
deweyzeph said:
In other countries where insurance is mandatory they are ruthless with uninsured drivers. Criminal records, points off your license, even imprisonment and confiscation and crushing of your vehicle for offenders.
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What I remember vaugely from days of yore was that you could buy your 3rd party insurance disk practically anywhere from garages to estate agents and they were not particularly expensive. You were also treated ruthlessly if you did not have a disk. Even if you did not have a valid licence disk you would still get a 3rd party insurance disk.
 
deweyzeph said:
In other countries where insurance is mandatory they are ruthless with uninsured drivers. Criminal records, points off your license, even imprisonment and confiscation and crushing of your vehicle for offenders.
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If they had balls, would be good, but as we know, its street warfare as soon as they do it to the first taxi, and the authorities back down
 
quovadis said:
I’m not too knowledgeable but earliest was compulsory insurance with only recourse being suing for damages.
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i cant see how that will work in SA

Those companies will charge what ever they want cause you cant go anywhere else.

The point of RAF was that if you dont have insurance it covers you and covers you very well i must say
Friend of mine lost the ability to walk his bill was as long as the house and he bought a bar a car and his dads house with that grant money

another friend also accident brain injury the payouts are crazy high I cant imagine what insurance companies will charge you for such a thing imagine spending R400 extra on insurance just in case a what if you knock someone or you in a accident etc.

i guess govement is seeing a possible issue if majority of motorist shift over to EV's but then charge RAF levy/tax at electric charging stations now i dont drive a EV so i dont know how that works but that id think could solve the income issue on their part. just shift the cost else where. you shouldnt get punished cause you want to drive a EV save the planet emission wise (not really)

I also dont see more than 15-25% of SA using EV cars to be honest dont know the current numbers but i just cant see people spending a million on a car when you still get decent petrol cars for under 300k unless of course EVs become more affordable to buy and maintain.

i wouldnt be suprised if they just increase the level at the fuel stations specificly with Diesel since everything goods wise runs on diesel the public without knowing will be paying for it regardless. considering its R31.something a Liter latley for diesel. (30.something if you lucky lol filled it up real quick)


Now on the whole mandatory thing in EU for example that's EU the regulations work the law works the enforcement works.
Here ....it doesn't work as efficiently also the fines and punishment is not even remotely close to what they have in Western Europe in France its on a point system get a speeding fine points are deducted loose all your points you have to re do your licence again..
Never mind the price in Euros you pay for fines they too chicken to break the laws there and public transport works so well you dont need a vehicle (and everything is close by anyway)

imagine doing that in SA... with no license or an already suspended license it just wont work.

What will work is if you force fuel stations to only be able to put fuel in a car with a valid drivers licence even that is questionable.
 
Compulsory insurance from who and for how much?
Does the guy who drives a RR Cullinan once a month pay the same as the HiAce death trap worth less than a road bike, doing the rounds daily.
Only way to get everyone to a pay a flat minimal rate is with the license disk.
 
quovadis said:
Get rid of the RAF completely and add third party insurance cover to license discs or make third party insurance mandatory to issue/renew a license.
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Unfortunately that will never happen. The legal fraternity has too much stake in the (mis)use of the current system. The government also does not want to be landed with the unfunded medical expenses of those not covered by 3rd party insurance.
 
cr@zydude said:
A scale from TV licences to E tolls, what sort of compliance would you expect?
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Probably higher than both if your vehicle is at threat of being impounded but that would require actual enforcement. That said, at least the driving without a renewed/valid license disk enforcement options already exist.
 
This is what happens when stupid politicians are allowed to decide about things they don't; understand! The RAF will NEVER work! We used to have a system where you got a sticker from your insurance company showing you had insurance. If you didn't have insurance, you wouldn't be allowed on the road. That will immediately help where people drive without insurance and cost law abiding citizens money!
 
Given the predatory nature of the government, and accepting that it doesn't matter who is running it, the predatory nature will remain as the Cape already proves. All we can demand is that if a new levy is introduced then the old fuel levy must at the same time be removed. This government will try make you pay both, it is their nature.
 
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