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Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 11
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Dave
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Dave
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No hint of any compromise and wavering from original demands, just more threats. And after the meeting Witkoff gushed praises on Putin.
More than three hours of talks between Putin, Witkoff and Kushner in Moscow.And judging by the Russian readout, it was basically victory after victory.According to Ushakov, the Russian side gave its “clear and comprehensive assessment” of the war, highlighted the Russian army’s “real successes” on the battlefield and expressed confidence that Russia would achieve all of its objectives.Putin again insisted that the “root causes” of the war must be eliminated.Witkoff and Kushner, according to Ushakov, said they would use the assessments they received personally from Putin in their talks with Kyiv tomorrow.They also apparently found time to discuss potential major US-Russia economic projects.So, nothing particularly new from Moscow.Russia says it is winning. Russia says it will achieve its goals. Russia continues to dictate its conditions. And Putin still gives no public indication that he is prepared to compromise on the fundamental issues.The important question now is what the Americans actually bring to Kyiv.Because there is a very big difference between negotiating with Putin and simply collecting Putin’s terms in Moscow and delivering them to Ukraine.
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More than three hours of talks between Putin, Witkoff and Kushner in Moscow.And judging by the Russian readout, it was basically victory after victory.According to Ushakov, the Russian side gave its “clear and comprehensive assessment” of the war, highlighted the Russian army’s “real successes” on the battlefield and expressed confidence that Russia would achieve all of its objectives.Putin again insisted that the “root causes” of the war must be eliminated.Witkoff and Kushner, according to Ushakov, said they would use the assessments they received personally from Putin in their talks with Kyiv tomorrow.They also apparently found time to discuss potential major US-Russia economic projects.So, nothing particularly new from Moscow.Russia says it is winning. Russia says it will achieve its goals. Russia continues to dictate its conditions. And Putin still gives no public indication that he is prepared to compromise on the fundamental issues.The important question now is what the Americans actually bring to Kyiv.Because there is a very big difference between negotiating with Putin and simply collecting Putin’s terms in Moscow and delivering them to Ukraine.
Trump Envoy Steve Witkoff Gives Putin Glowing Thanks and Calls Moscow Meet ‘Right at the Top’ of List of ‘Incredible Memories’
Steve Witkoff thanked Russian President Vladimir Putin for welcoming him and Jared Kusher to Moscow, saying it will be at the top of their "incredible memories."
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Dave
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The outrage if Ukraine if had done similar to Moscow airport
Russian attacks on Kyiv and Boryspil international airports were “clearly” a reaction to the possibility of the US negotiators flying to Kyiv after talks in Moscow, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, has said. On Saturday, Zelenskyy said Kyiv had “taken note of this Russian move, and next week we will adjust our operation accordingly regarding Russian airspace, which has become dangerous because of our drones and missiles in the sky. Of course, there are and will be no threats to diplomacy from our side.” Both airports service the Ukrainian capital.
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Russian attacks on Kyiv and Boryspil international airports were “clearly” a reaction to the possibility of the US negotiators flying to Kyiv after talks in Moscow, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, has said. On Saturday, Zelenskyy said Kyiv had “taken note of this Russian move, and next week we will adjust our operation accordingly regarding Russian airspace, which has become dangerous because of our drones and missiles in the sky. Of course, there are and will be no threats to diplomacy from our side.” Both airports service the Ukrainian capital.
Ukraine war briefing: Zelenskyy links Russian strikes on Kyiv airports to US envoys’ visit
Moscow attacked Kyiv and Boryspil international airports as US talks yielded no evident change in Russia’s war demands. What we know on day 1,656
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I see the proposal is the standard Ukraine should surrender one.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
I don't honestly see Russia changing that stance anytime soon... even when things are borderline about to collapse on the homefront.
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So, Kushner and Witkoff have been to Russia at least 8x but this is their first ever visit to Ukraine?
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
You have to involve both sides at some point to deliver Vlads demands.
Looking at recordings during Witkoff/Kushner and Zelensky's meet they still praised Putin and deflected any questions about putting pressure on Russia. In Russia they thanked Putin for halting attacks on Kyiv but never thanked Zelensky for doing same at their meet.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Could they fellate Vlad anymore if they tried?
Dave
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Cius
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Still find it astonishing how accepted Trump's imperial ambitions are and his obvious friendships with dictators, and disdain for Democratic states is both ongoing and he remains in office. I feel like the USA in 1943 would have gotten rid of a guy like him so fast it would make your head spin.