Eskom wants to charge solar users and other people for not using its electricity

Neuk_ said:
Start charging people that use electricity and do not pay then we can talk more seriously about connection, maintenance, service, network, etc. fee's.
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Because that is political suicide for the councillors involved, who will definitely get canned in November if they suggest that. But time to simply put in some decent contactors in those areas, and do power as 5 minutes on, 55 minutes off, 24 hours a day, till they decide to at least pay up and go legal.
 
Justanotherguybythesea said:
Because that is political suicide for the councillors involved, who will definitely get canned in November if they suggest that. But time to simply put in some decent contactors in those areas, and do power as 5 minutes on, 55 minutes off, 24 hours a day, till they decide to at least pay up and go legal.
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What if you are stuck on the same transformer?
 
Hopefully now with the splitting up of Eskom we can now see the real costs for transmission and distribution. Do these costs appear on the other divisions (not eskom) balance sheets?
 
die_koos said:
Unpopular opinion: The don't want to charge you for not using their electricity, they want to charge you for maintaining a network connected to your house that you want to use in case the sun doesn't shine for 2 days.

What everybody seems to be missing here is that all of these tariffs etc. only apply if you want to stay connected to the grid.
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So why aren't they currently charging everyone this maintenance fee, and only thought about it when people stopped using them...
 
wingnut771 said:
Hopefully now with the splitting up of Eskom we can now see the real costs for transmission and distribution. Do these costs appear on the other divisions (not eskom) balance sheets?
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Hopefully the IPPs will also show their costs, but we need to remember that prices will NEVER decrease, they will at min increase prices at the rate of inflation, but that would only happen in a perfect world.

As solar uptake increases and this gap widens further and further with eskom, something will break and how the gov deals with it will be interesting.

Im currently in Spain for work and the amount of EV's i see here is quite surprising, these guys get weekly fuel increases and most of the ICE cars i see are diesel. Aside from the complaining i hear on the daily from co-workers at the office, quite a few of them have said they will be going EV when they do their next trade in.

We are heading towards a world where we power ourselves and our modes of transport with energy made by the sun, Govs/big oil are going to kak REAL SOON
 
Slowestclock said:
Hopefully the IPPs will also show their costs, but we need to remember that prices will NEVER decrease, they will at min increase prices at the rate of inflation, but that would only happen in a perfect world.

As solar uptake increases and this gap widens further and further with eskom, something will break and how the gov deals with it will be interesting.

Im currently in Spain for work and the amount of EV's i see here is quite surprising, these guys get weekly fuel increases and most of the ICE cars i see are diesel. Aside from the complaining i hear on the daily from co-workers at the office, quite a few of them have said they will be going EV when they do their next trade in.

We are heading towards a world where we power ourselves and our modes of transport with energy made by the sun, Govs/big oil are going to kak REAL SOON
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IPPs are just generation cost side which is already getting cheaper than Eskom. Its just the historical transmission and distribution costs that were never separated on Eskom's books so nobody actually has any idea of the actual network costs. Hopefully this will change in the next 3 years. By then hopefully Eskom will have a few extra GWs of gen available (from all the plebs self generating) that they will have to give away for 62c.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
So why aren't they currently charging everyone this maintenance fee, and only thought about it when people stopped using them...
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Because they can recoup the maintenance costs from the "profit" they make selling you the electricity. If you don't buy, they don't make profit.
 
die_koos said:
Because they can recoup the maintenance costs from the "profit" they make selling you the electricity. If you don't buy, they don't make profit.
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They aren't entitled to money. They're welcome to charge these fees, we're also welcome to go completely off grid. Who pays then?
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
They aren't entitled to money. They're welcome to charge these fees, we're also welcome to go completely off grid. Who pays then?
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Yes off course, but also; you are not entitled to connect to their infrastructure, unless you pay for it. There is no problem here from a single user perspective.

The bigger issue Eskom has that they will scare away anyone who has money to pay them at all. Image a suburb of 100 houses where 90 of them have gone off-grid. The "poor" 10 remaining users will not last long before it gets cheaper to just go off grid completely.
 
die_koos said:
Yes off course, but also; you are not entitled to connect to their infrastructure, unless you pay for it. There is no problem here from a single user perspective.

The bigger issue Eskom has that they will scare away anyone who has money to pay them at all. Image a suburb of 100 houses where 90 of them have gone off-grid. The "poor" 10 remaining users will not last long before it gets cheaper to just go off grid completely.
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On our road we have only two homes that dont have solar. Was on the roof to clear out some gutters and pretty much most homes i saw had a couple of panels on the roof. Solar prices just need to continue the downward trend and things should start to get very interesting for these old donkeys.

Why Eskom does not do solar install themselves is beyond me, if you can't beat em, join em
 
die_koos said:
Yes off course, but also; you are not entitled to connect to their infrastructure, unless you pay for it. There is no problem here from a single user perspective.
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We pay for it through what we use, which should be used to maintain their network. It's none of our concern if that is not enough. Why aren't the leeches indigent paying their share then? Same infrastructure, same cost of generation, same cost of transmission, same cost of distribution. This is purely extortion, not an economic case...
 
No one wants to use my faith based psychic hotline, that mean I can invoice anyway ?
 
Every other country in the world with solar resources has implemented proper time based tariffs. Eskom should simply implement them here, and then they can start getting rid of the unprofitable stations.

All those evil people with solar panels and batteries will be quite happy to charge up their systems at night and use that to get over the morning peak, alongside the evening peak. Which works out for Eskom.
 
die_koos said:
Yes off course, but also; you are not entitled to connect to their infrastructure, unless you pay for it. There is no problem here from a single user perspective.

The bigger issue Eskom has that they will scare away anyone who has money to pay them at all. Image a suburb of 100 houses where 90 of them have gone off-grid. The "poor" 10 remaining users will not last long before it gets cheaper to just go off grid completely.
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Network/demand fees shouldn't be more than R150. No problem if you stop with the socialism.
 
Slowestclock said:
On our road we have only two homes that dont have solar. Was on the roof to clear out some gutters and pretty much most homes i saw had a couple of panels on the roof. Solar prices just need to continue the downward trend and things should start to get very interesting for these old donkeys.

Why Eskom does not do solar install themselves is beyond me, if you can't beat em, join em
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Eskom is like the Post Office. Easy come, easy go.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
We pay for it through what we use, which should be used to maintain their network. It's none of our concern if that is not enough. Why aren't the leeches indigent paying their share then? Same infrastructure, same cost of generation, same cost of transmission, same cost of distribution. This is purely extortion, not an economic case...
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