Plan to integrate Sangomas into primary healthcare system in South Africa

Plan to integrate Sangomas into primary healthcare system in South Africa

Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi said they are looking into the role of traditional health practitioners in primary healthcare, referral arrangements, training, and collaborations.

 

[Nerfherder]

Hell even chiropractors are more "medical" than these sangomas and that says a whole shyteload really.

Ya, so I'm divided on this. Yes I think traditional medicine is anti-science hogwash but at the same time there also seems to be a case for working with these healers, even just to help the people who do believe in it.

They have an interesting way of dealing with things in clinics where people believe in traditional medicine.
If someone comes in saying that they are infected with evil spirits, then the doctor checks them out medically, if there is no medical issues then they tell the person they can go to a sangoma to treat the issue.

It sounds like they are being dismissive but in reality it helps build a relationship where people trust the doctors to help them if they can. If they really are possessed by a spirit then the sangoma can help them.
"Evil" spirits exist our side of medical science, so there is no treatment for them.
Infections and illness do exist in medical science and they have treatments for those things.

Also, incorporating traditional healers into the system could help rein them in.... and avoid some of the more outlandish treatments they use.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Ya, so I'm divided on this. Yes I think traditional medicine is anti-science hogwash but at the same time there also seems to be a case for working with these healers, even just to help the people who do believe in it.

They have an interesting way of dealing with things in clinics where people believe in traditional medicine.
If someone comes in saying that they are infected with evil spirits, then the doctor checks them out medically, if there is no medical issues then they tell the person they can go to a sangoma to treat the issue.

It sounds like they are being dismissive but in reality it helps build a relationship where people trust the doctors to help them if they can. If they really are possessed by a spirit then the sangoma can help them.
"Evil" spirits exist our side of medical science, so there is no treatment for them.
Infections and illness do exist in medical science and they have treatments for those things.

Also, incorporating traditional healers into the system could help rein them in.... and avoid some of the more outlandish treatments they use.

I inherently don't have a problem "building" them into the system for those who believe in the system. I do have an issue if they're given any sort of "rights" of a medical professional though since they aren't a medical professional at all.

Maybe refer to it as "complementary healtchare" or something, but they are not "primary healthcare" in the slightest.

 

[porchrat]

The part I do see as being a potential problem here is that companies will be legally bound to accept "sick notes" from Sangomas and that is gonna be an issue in some areas.

Bongani can't come to work today. He is being troubled by the curses of evil spirits.

Awesome stuff.

 

[rustypup]

If they really are possessed by a spirit then the sangoma can help them.

Whut?

 

[konfab]

Does this work? Can one substitute a ginger child for the albino child if local availability is thin?
....asking for a friend

No. They don't have souls so the muti doesn't work.

 

[konfab]

Ya, so I'm divided on this. Yes I think traditional medicine is anti-science hogwash but at the same time there also seems to be a case for working with these healers, even just to help the people who do believe in it.

They have an interesting way of dealing with things in clinics where people believe in traditional medicine.
If someone comes in saying that they are infected with evil spirits, then the doctor checks them out medically, if there is no medical issues then they tell the person they can go to a sangoma to treat the issue.

It sounds like they are being dismissive but in reality it helps build a relationship where people trust the doctors to help them if they can. If they really are possessed by a spirit then the sangoma can help them.
"Evil" spirits exist our side of medical science, so there is no treatment for them.
Infections and illness do exist in medical science and they have treatments for those things.

Also, incorporating traditional healers into the system could help rein them in.... and avoid some of the more outlandish treatments they use.

No. Legitimising quackery is dangerous for people.

Just remember this is the same government that cracked down on compounded semaglutide, which was a scientifically correct treatment for obesity, and put together by a qualified. But the sangoma handing out "medicine" from dirty peanut butter jars deserves legitimacy?




If you have standards. they apply to everyone.

 

[Stinkbeaver]

I support this 100%, Sangomas are good at healing STIs. This another stroke of genius.

 

[vigras rojara]

Bongani can't come to work today. He is being troubled by the curses of evil spirits.

Awesome stuff.

Don't knock it, it could be a useful Monday morning excuse. And Smirnoff is indeed an evil spirit.

 

[ShaunSA]

I had a chiropractor who was amazing.

We've long established that you are a hypochondriac that is endlessly chasing the latest woowoo

Nfi why. You should be immortal with all the jabs you've had

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

The part I do see as being a potential problem here is that companies will be legally bound to accept "sick notes" from Sangomas and that is gonna be an issue in some areas.

Easy way around this. Everyone gets 5 days of sick leave a year for general illnesses, including tokoloshe hauntings. Anything more to make up the balance of statutory sick leave requires an actual medical diagnosis.

The benefit of removing them from the gene pool far outweighs their short term cost to the economy...

 

[vigras rojara]

We've long established that you are a hypochondriac that is endlessly chasing the latest woowoo

Nfi why. You should be immortal with all the jabs you've had

I would expect the anti-vaxxers to be the ones to back this, seeing as they have zero confidence in medical science.

 

[ShaunSA]

Bongani can't come to work today. He is being troubled by the curses of evil spirits.

Awesome stuff.

You jest. Until someone is given months off on full pay because she received the calling and has to go for training

 

[ShaunSA]

I would expect the anti-vaxxers to be the ones to back this, seeing as they have zero confidence in medical science.

Yes I can see how nuance has always escaped you

 

[ToxicBunny]

Easy way around this. Everyone gets 5 days of sick leave a year for general illnesses, including tokoloshe hauntings. Anything more to make up the balance of statutory sick leave requires an actual medical diagnosis...

But the problem is, if these guys are defined as "primary healthcare" then their diagnosis is deemed "medical" in nature and would just be a legal shyteshow for a company to navigate.

 

[vigras rojara]

Yes I can see how nuance has always escaped you

Feck off, I'm not throwing you a bone.

 

[ShaunSA]

The part I do see as being a potential problem here is that companies will be legally bound to accept "sick notes" from Sangomas and that is gonna be an issue in some areas.

Hasn't that boat sailed already?

Think they just needed to be registered and have their registration number on the sick note. But some HR person will confirm

 

[ShaunSA]

Feck off, I'm not throwing you a bone.

Toss. The idea is to toss my bone

 

[ShaunSA]

Well actually the idea is to swallow my bone... but this isn't Grindr

 

[ToxicBunny]

Toss. The idea is to toss my bone

This guys specialise in multiples, not singles.. so if you're good being in a group of bones being tossed I'm sure they'll oblige.

 

[ShaunSA]

This guys specialise in multiples, not singles.. so if you're good being in a group of bones being tossed I'm sure they'll oblige.

A lemon party? WTF didn't you just say so!

/unzips