Plan to integrate Sangomas into primary healthcare system in South Africa

ToxicBunny said:
I inherently don't have a problem "building" them into the system for those who believe in the system. I do have an issue if they're given any sort of "rights" of a medical professional though since they aren't a medical professional at all.

Maybe refer to it as "complementary healtchare" or something, but they are not "primary healthcare" in the slightest.
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Yes. Primary is front line... I would prefer front line to be more science based.
 
konfab said:
No. Legitimising quackery is dangerous for people.

Just remember this is the same government that cracked down on compounded semaglutide, which was a scientifically correct treatment for obesity, and put together by a qualified. But the sangoma handing out "medicine" from dirty peanut butter jars deserves legitimacy?


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If you have standards. they apply to everyone.
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Loads of quacks out there... some people even endup trying to get healed in a church !?
 
ToxicBunny said:
I inherently don't have a problem "building" them into the system for those who believe in the system. I do have an issue if they're given any sort of "rights" of a medical professional though since they aren't a medical professional at all.

Maybe refer to it as "complementary healtchare" or something, but they are not "primary healthcare" in the slightest.
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I have a problem with it. Especially if it's happening at public healthcare facilities using my tax money. They flush enough of that down the toilet as it is.

You let this garbage in you've got to let astrologers and crystal healers and all sorts of other BS in the door.

In the immortal words of Tim Minchin: "you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? - Medicine"
 
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OMG. FFS.

Will someone just switch off the lights when they leave?
 
porchrat said:
I have a problem with it. Especially if it's happening at public healthcare facilities using my tax money. They flush enough of that down the toilet as it is.

You let this garbage in you've got to let astrologers and crystal healers and all sorts of other BS in the door.

In the immortal words of Tim Minchin: "you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? - Medicine"
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This is all just election talk anyway. There's no way any court allows this in, to put peoples lives at risk. If some retarded lower court does, it will definitely fail higher up...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
This is all just election talk anyway. There's no way any court allows this in, to put peoples lives at risk. If some retarded lower court does, it will definitely fail higher up...
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The retardation of South African courts knows no bounds.

Just remember, this is the same judicial system that prevented Shell from merely doing seismic exploration of the ocean 20km off the coast for procedural justice reasons.

[3] This case must also be understood against the backdrop of well documented struggles by coastal communities to protect their land, marine resources and ways of life in the face of extractive activities that they believe threaten their very existence. The sea is of deep importance to coastal communities along the Wild Coast. To quote from the founding affidavit in the High Court:


“Our land and sea are central to our livelihoods and our way of life. Over generations we have conserved them, and they have conserved us. This is not merely a matter of nutrition and income, though it certainly is that. Some of our ancestors reside in the sea, and our traditional healers and pastors use the sea to heal us and to connect us with God.”



[4] In areas such as Xolobeni, communities have for many years resisted proposed mining activities in order to preserve their environment, livelihoods and cultural practices. Similarly, in the Dwesa-Cwebe region, our courts have recognised that access to marine resources is not merely an economic concern but is intimately bound to customary practices and cultural identity.[1] Their resistance to extractive activities and battles to be recognised have not been without cost. It has, at times, been marked by threats to the safety and security of those involved. These histories reflect that environmental governance in coastal areas is often marked by deep contestation, in which the protection of ecological systems is inseparable from the protection of the rights to dignity, culture and livelihood.​
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There was literally zero threat to anyone's livelihoods or spiritual dignity with exploration.
 
porchrat said:
I have a problem with it. Especially if it's happening at public healthcare facilities using my tax money. They flush enough of that down the toilet as it is.

You let this garbage in you've got to let astrologers and crystal healers and all sorts of other BS in the door.

In the immortal words of Tim Minchin: "you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? - Medicine"
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So yeah the "how" would be vitally important of course, and wrapping it into public healthcare facilities would not be right in my opinion either. I don't really have an answer in my head as to how it would be done, just that I don't inherently have an issue with the idea so long as they aren't referred to as "primary healthcare" and tread as actual medical practioners.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
This is all just election talk anyway. There's no way any court allows this in, to put peoples lives at risk. If some retarded lower court does, it will definitely fail higher up...
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It would have to be taken to court in the first place, the law enabling this has been in place for a good long while already, its just the regulations that need to be finalised.
 
ToxicBunny said:
It would have to be taken to court in the first place, the law enabling this has been in place for a good long while already, its just the regulations that need to be finalised.
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You would have to wait until someone dies or gets maimed by one of these creatures before you could challenge the law enabling them.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
This is all just election talk anyway. There's no way any court allows this in, to put peoples lives at risk. If some retarded lower court does, it will definitely fail higher up...
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Your faith in our judiciary is awe inspiring

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Judge who has not worked since 2018 to face tribunal

Judge Lepona Joshua Lekale, who is reportedly visually impaired, has refused early retirement
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  • Free State Judge Lepona Joshua Lekale has not performed any judicial duties since 2018. He is now facing a tribunal over whether he is fit to remain on the bench.
  • Lekale, who is reportedly visually impaired, has repeatedly said he will be able to return to work. He has refused early retirement, saying a traditional healer warned him not to leave office.
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