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The Right Car? review of the Forthing Taikon 5 EV
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CarSauce review of the Leapmotor B03X
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JMC Grand Avenue (2026) Launch Review
Is the Grand Avenue too good to be true?
The value proposition of the JMC Grand Avenue remains staggering. From its massive proportions and punchy 155 kW drivetrain to a generous standard specification list, this bakkie feels like it should cost at least R100 000 more than its asking price. Throw in a comprehensive 5-year/200 000 km warranty and 5-year/100 000 km service plan, and the ownership peace of mind is undeniable.
Is the Grand Avenue too good to be true?
The value proposition of the JMC Grand Avenue remains staggering. From its massive proportions and punchy 155 kW drivetrain to a generous standard specification list, this bakkie feels like it should cost at least R100 000 more than its asking price. Throw in a comprehensive 5-year/200 000 km warranty and 5-year/100 000 km service plan, and the ownership peace of mind is undeniable.
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Does the JAC T9 PHEV really need 360 kW?
The JAC T9 PHEV promises better performance than a Ford Ranger Raptor. But is 360 kW in a double-cab perhaps too much of a good thing?
There was a time when 200 kW seemed like an impossible power threshold for a double-cab bakkie. But the final version of the first-generation Amarok 3.0 V6 turbodiesel changed that assumption in late 2020. VW brought a true double-cab bakkie with 200 kW and usable payload to market and proved it could be done.
Six years later, South African double-cab bakkie buyers now have a choice of extraordinarily powerful models, nearly all of them Chinese. And none of them turbodiesel. It’s telling how much the Chinese brands are influencing the local bakkie market.
BYD’s Shark 6, launched in 2025, shattered expectations of how much acceleration and highway overtaking power a South African buyer could have in a double-cab. With a peak power output of 350 kW, the Shark 6 offers performance unimaginable to bakkie buyers only a few years ago.
However, the Shark 6 is no longer South Africa’s brawniest bakkie. Enter the JAC T9 PHEV… Its stats are startling: 360 kW and 674 Nm of torque.
Let’s look at what those numbers mean in a real-world application and how they compare to rivals’ outputs.
The JAC T9 PHEV promises better performance than a Ford Ranger Raptor. But is 360 kW in a double-cab perhaps too much of a good thing?
There was a time when 200 kW seemed like an impossible power threshold for a double-cab bakkie. But the final version of the first-generation Amarok 3.0 V6 turbodiesel changed that assumption in late 2020. VW brought a true double-cab bakkie with 200 kW and usable payload to market and proved it could be done.
Six years later, South African double-cab bakkie buyers now have a choice of extraordinarily powerful models, nearly all of them Chinese. And none of them turbodiesel. It’s telling how much the Chinese brands are influencing the local bakkie market.
BYD’s Shark 6, launched in 2025, shattered expectations of how much acceleration and highway overtaking power a South African buyer could have in a double-cab. With a peak power output of 350 kW, the Shark 6 offers performance unimaginable to bakkie buyers only a few years ago.
However, the Shark 6 is no longer South Africa’s brawniest bakkie. Enter the JAC T9 PHEV… Its stats are startling: 360 kW and 674 Nm of torque.
Let’s look at what those numbers mean in a real-world application and how they compare to rivals’ outputs.
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Chasing Cars first look at the Geely Battleship 700
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The Right Car? first look at the Geely Battleship 700
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The Right Car? first look at the Geely Emgrand L EM-i
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The Right Car? first look at the GAC S7
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Oh my gawd... did that dude just get a new dildo or something? That facial expression
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So I test drove the Geely E5 this morning and it's the first time actually driving an all electric car myself, my only other reference being a Jaguar I-Pace which I was a passenger in.
Dimension wise compared to the Haval H6 they are virtually the same parked next to each other with the Geely sitting slightly lower...but from the inside and out the more feminine curved lines of the Geely make it feel smaller over the more squared off muscular looks of the H6, especially from the inside looking over the bonnet it just doesn't feel like a massive car where the H6 often is almost overwhelming in side, especially doing stuff like going up multi-level car parks where if it weren't for the cameras you would have no idea what's in front or below you.
That more sleek feminine nature translates to the doors especially that internally are just narrower with less going on and I expect would be more comfortable to drive longer distance because one of my gripes with the Haval is the "shelf" is too high and squared off to rest your arm on and the ratio to the wheel vs seat is just ever so slightly off that it can be a little annoying.
The lack of heated seats was weird on paper but technically I'm guessing the massage function causes some limitations there but in a way that would also make for some friction used and therefore indirect heating so I can see it ultimately offering much the same. As it stands I only ever used the heated seats in the Haval on the lowest setting otherwise it feels like I've pee'd myself and even then that must have been a handful of times in the past three years.
Didn't fiddle too much while I was driving and so when I hit the button for massage I struck the "serpentine" setting and that very quickly told me that the term massage isn't just a slight vibration marketing pitch the thing literally works your back much more so than the Mercedes S65 I last tried it in a few years ago so it's far more of a feature than I expected and I can see it making longer distance drives a lot more comfortable potentially.
The door handles are weird. I mean it looks ****ing cool but practically it's not adding any value other than it being obvious the car is unlocked (which is somewhat of a security concern too, but I would imagine you can set it up to only open the driver door by default). So it's a bit of a fiddle and I'm sure over time you would get used to it but my wife made the point that imagine standing in a strong wind you now need to awkwardly hold onto that handle or take hold of the door itself as compared to a conventional door handle so all in all it's not a deal breaker but not a real benefit and I very much doubt it makes even a full percentage difference aerodynamically.
Interior is well sorted and the absence of piano black around the centre console is a major plus over the very easy to scratch up H6. They still chose to use it on the doors for reasons unknown but at least that is generally sparse and I don't see it wearing much there.
The HUD is much clearer on the Geely but I'm not sure if it supports the full navigation instructions as well like the Haval does...and that's where it gets a little bit weirder because the dash display is tiny and I had a bit of a struggle lining up the seat height with the steering wheel with the small screen which does everything it needs to do but it's something I wish I took a deeper look at because I've gotten so used to seeing navigation right in front of me.
Struggled a bit to figure out how to turn on ACC as it isn't on the stalk as with most cars but instead on one of the steering wheel buttons but intentionally tested the biggest failure point on the Haval for me with this which is when you have a long run up of clear road and then stopped cars in the distance the Haval would leave it very last minute and then brake unnecessarily hard and I'm happy to say the Geely did this very smoothly with no jerking or sudden stabbing on the brakes.
Overall the brakes felt a lot more progressive and smoother than on the Haval. I forgot to do a full on hard stop so can't really compare that. While the salesperson wasn't super cagey only drive around the block stile he also wasn't exactly give it horns and drive 20km if you want and also had my wife along to give it a go.
Now the with the Haval pushing 180kW and this being 20kW down I expected to feel it (even though their 0-100 times are much the same) but somewhere between the electric simply spooling up more vs the HEV needing to clutch in the petrol engine when you put your foot down it just feels more responsive and instant and it was actually pretty hard to keep it below 70 because it just got there by magic and kind of settled there happily.
Did a few simulated 80-100 type overtaking foot down moves and there is more than enough sauce that it would never be the kind of thing you need to plan for, just point it and go which is exactly the promise of going electric is all about.
There was some pretty hectic wind outside and while it's not completely absent in the cabin it's a good example of probably the worst it can get and yet it was very comfortable and insulated and anything 60 or lower was dead quiet with not even a tyre noise present. Often in the Haval at low speeds I can hear the suspension and brakes along with the tyres quite clearly.
Moved over to the passenger seat and it does this weird thing where the seat adjusts to help you get out more easily, not sure if it really makes a difference but it was quite novel and strange. Also for a change in supposed "smart cars" it actually has some self awareness and immediately popped up when my wife adjusted the seat asking if she wanted to save it to a profile. I wish all these "smart" cars would take some consideration of their sensors and do simple clever things like offering you cold controls when it's 32 outside and the heater controls when it's 18 instead of just having default dumb searching through menus.
Half the problem with touchscreens in cars is that they could do so much more if they were simply catering towards the driver and offering things up as needed so you don't need to look for them.
Having "seat profiles" is pretty nifty and solves some of the problems with a shared car, but the sales person couldn't tell me if that is linked to the mirrors as well otherwise it's somewhat pointless. Didn't get a chance to actively test it but might do so tomorrow as I'm going to look at another one potentially.
Continued below...
Dimension wise compared to the Haval H6 they are virtually the same parked next to each other with the Geely sitting slightly lower...but from the inside and out the more feminine curved lines of the Geely make it feel smaller over the more squared off muscular looks of the H6, especially from the inside looking over the bonnet it just doesn't feel like a massive car where the H6 often is almost overwhelming in side, especially doing stuff like going up multi-level car parks where if it weren't for the cameras you would have no idea what's in front or below you.
That more sleek feminine nature translates to the doors especially that internally are just narrower with less going on and I expect would be more comfortable to drive longer distance because one of my gripes with the Haval is the "shelf" is too high and squared off to rest your arm on and the ratio to the wheel vs seat is just ever so slightly off that it can be a little annoying.
The lack of heated seats was weird on paper but technically I'm guessing the massage function causes some limitations there but in a way that would also make for some friction used and therefore indirect heating so I can see it ultimately offering much the same. As it stands I only ever used the heated seats in the Haval on the lowest setting otherwise it feels like I've pee'd myself and even then that must have been a handful of times in the past three years.
Didn't fiddle too much while I was driving and so when I hit the button for massage I struck the "serpentine" setting and that very quickly told me that the term massage isn't just a slight vibration marketing pitch the thing literally works your back much more so than the Mercedes S65 I last tried it in a few years ago so it's far more of a feature than I expected and I can see it making longer distance drives a lot more comfortable potentially.
The door handles are weird. I mean it looks ****ing cool but practically it's not adding any value other than it being obvious the car is unlocked (which is somewhat of a security concern too, but I would imagine you can set it up to only open the driver door by default). So it's a bit of a fiddle and I'm sure over time you would get used to it but my wife made the point that imagine standing in a strong wind you now need to awkwardly hold onto that handle or take hold of the door itself as compared to a conventional door handle so all in all it's not a deal breaker but not a real benefit and I very much doubt it makes even a full percentage difference aerodynamically.
Interior is well sorted and the absence of piano black around the centre console is a major plus over the very easy to scratch up H6. They still chose to use it on the doors for reasons unknown but at least that is generally sparse and I don't see it wearing much there.
The HUD is much clearer on the Geely but I'm not sure if it supports the full navigation instructions as well like the Haval does...and that's where it gets a little bit weirder because the dash display is tiny and I had a bit of a struggle lining up the seat height with the steering wheel with the small screen which does everything it needs to do but it's something I wish I took a deeper look at because I've gotten so used to seeing navigation right in front of me.
Struggled a bit to figure out how to turn on ACC as it isn't on the stalk as with most cars but instead on one of the steering wheel buttons but intentionally tested the biggest failure point on the Haval for me with this which is when you have a long run up of clear road and then stopped cars in the distance the Haval would leave it very last minute and then brake unnecessarily hard and I'm happy to say the Geely did this very smoothly with no jerking or sudden stabbing on the brakes.
Overall the brakes felt a lot more progressive and smoother than on the Haval. I forgot to do a full on hard stop so can't really compare that. While the salesperson wasn't super cagey only drive around the block stile he also wasn't exactly give it horns and drive 20km if you want and also had my wife along to give it a go.
Now the with the Haval pushing 180kW and this being 20kW down I expected to feel it (even though their 0-100 times are much the same) but somewhere between the electric simply spooling up more vs the HEV needing to clutch in the petrol engine when you put your foot down it just feels more responsive and instant and it was actually pretty hard to keep it below 70 because it just got there by magic and kind of settled there happily.
Did a few simulated 80-100 type overtaking foot down moves and there is more than enough sauce that it would never be the kind of thing you need to plan for, just point it and go which is exactly the promise of going electric is all about.
There was some pretty hectic wind outside and while it's not completely absent in the cabin it's a good example of probably the worst it can get and yet it was very comfortable and insulated and anything 60 or lower was dead quiet with not even a tyre noise present. Often in the Haval at low speeds I can hear the suspension and brakes along with the tyres quite clearly.
Moved over to the passenger seat and it does this weird thing where the seat adjusts to help you get out more easily, not sure if it really makes a difference but it was quite novel and strange. Also for a change in supposed "smart cars" it actually has some self awareness and immediately popped up when my wife adjusted the seat asking if she wanted to save it to a profile. I wish all these "smart" cars would take some consideration of their sensors and do simple clever things like offering you cold controls when it's 32 outside and the heater controls when it's 18 instead of just having default dumb searching through menus.
Half the problem with touchscreens in cars is that they could do so much more if they were simply catering towards the driver and offering things up as needed so you don't need to look for them.
Having "seat profiles" is pretty nifty and solves some of the problems with a shared car, but the sales person couldn't tell me if that is linked to the mirrors as well otherwise it's somewhat pointless. Didn't get a chance to actively test it but might do so tomorrow as I'm going to look at another one potentially.
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SauRoNZA
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Anyway connected my phone Wirelessly to CarPlay which was as simple as could be and then it opens up leaving a row of buttons along the bottom for your common controls so there's no need to go back and forth in and out of CarPlay like I do in the Haval. The most common stuff like fan on/off, air con recycling and climate control Auto along with de-misting are all physical buttons. The one major annoyance I have on the Haval is wanting to turn the recycling on quickly is a massive touchscreen pain in the ass.
The internet lead me to believe the centre screen is massive but I didn't find it unusual, just functional and didn't find myself mis-tapping anything even sitting in the passenger side which is usually problematic in most cars so the screen real estate along with the button design and placement really makes it work well where it isn't cumbersome at all.
Weird one is that there are no sunroof buttons, that's all on the screen but then the sales guy was quick to point out you can also do it by voice. Odd but not a massive issue.
The idea of having two phones sitting in the centre console works quite well, just seems a bit silly to stop there and only make the one side a wireless charger instead of both.
Sound system wise their in house Flyme thing blows the socks off the Haval, there isn't even a remote comparison between the two for it having a **** load more speakers but also having them sort of pop out of the dash is quite cool and does actually make it project the sound stage much better. Interestingly the actual volume known can be double-clicked and then you can set the fan controls with it...bit strange since it has climate control but I'm hoping if you dig in the settings you can maybe customise that to do some other stuff.
Rear leg room feels a lot more spacious and I think there's more headroom possibly due to the flat floor and even the middle seat seemed very comfortable where it's usually the neglected one and while my Haval doesn't have a hump there the ratio from seat to floor seems much better. The storage drawers under the rear seats take me back to my Golf and I can see the kids putting that to use on long trips rather than having **** rolling around in the doors that drives me nuts.
The boot is interesting...smaller than the Haval and more angled towards the top but this is also somewhat due to the rear seats having three different levels of reclining but the cover seems so small and laughable that covers the rear window hatch section. The nice thing is that there's a 50L storage space under the boot floor that the sales pitch is you go scuba diving you put your wet stuff in there. Don't know what I would use it for day to day, but knowing you have a zone that can take a mess I can see come into play if I go buy paint or compost or something.
Thing is now the SA models they are loading up with a spare wheel setup that covers all of this and feels very retrofitted as that bolts down right over it, so unless you opt not to use the spare wheel it's kind of a pointless exercise. Further to this neither the "older" cars without spare wheels or the new ones come with Run Flats and I would far more have preferred an option to say skip the spare wheel and give me run flats instead.
Overall it's a lovely car and a lovely drive with plenty of features and then of course the all electric benefit and percolating on whether it makes sense to throw the money at it now or simply drive the Haval another few years and then make the jump. The initial offer for trade-in sees me taking a 34% knock over the three years I've had the Haval which I already bought at a very low price slightly second hand....but that's of course the dealer low blowing and not having shopped around. Looking at retail pricing and going through the motions and drama of selling it myself or someone else will bring that down a bit I'm sure.
The internet lead me to believe the centre screen is massive but I didn't find it unusual, just functional and didn't find myself mis-tapping anything even sitting in the passenger side which is usually problematic in most cars so the screen real estate along with the button design and placement really makes it work well where it isn't cumbersome at all.
Weird one is that there are no sunroof buttons, that's all on the screen but then the sales guy was quick to point out you can also do it by voice. Odd but not a massive issue.
The idea of having two phones sitting in the centre console works quite well, just seems a bit silly to stop there and only make the one side a wireless charger instead of both.
Sound system wise their in house Flyme thing blows the socks off the Haval, there isn't even a remote comparison between the two for it having a **** load more speakers but also having them sort of pop out of the dash is quite cool and does actually make it project the sound stage much better. Interestingly the actual volume known can be double-clicked and then you can set the fan controls with it...bit strange since it has climate control but I'm hoping if you dig in the settings you can maybe customise that to do some other stuff.
Rear leg room feels a lot more spacious and I think there's more headroom possibly due to the flat floor and even the middle seat seemed very comfortable where it's usually the neglected one and while my Haval doesn't have a hump there the ratio from seat to floor seems much better. The storage drawers under the rear seats take me back to my Golf and I can see the kids putting that to use on long trips rather than having **** rolling around in the doors that drives me nuts.
The boot is interesting...smaller than the Haval and more angled towards the top but this is also somewhat due to the rear seats having three different levels of reclining but the cover seems so small and laughable that covers the rear window hatch section. The nice thing is that there's a 50L storage space under the boot floor that the sales pitch is you go scuba diving you put your wet stuff in there. Don't know what I would use it for day to day, but knowing you have a zone that can take a mess I can see come into play if I go buy paint or compost or something.
Thing is now the SA models they are loading up with a spare wheel setup that covers all of this and feels very retrofitted as that bolts down right over it, so unless you opt not to use the spare wheel it's kind of a pointless exercise. Further to this neither the "older" cars without spare wheels or the new ones come with Run Flats and I would far more have preferred an option to say skip the spare wheel and give me run flats instead.
Overall it's a lovely car and a lovely drive with plenty of features and then of course the all electric benefit and percolating on whether it makes sense to throw the money at it now or simply drive the Haval another few years and then make the jump. The initial offer for trade-in sees me taking a 34% knock over the three years I've had the Haval which I already bought at a very low price slightly second hand....but that's of course the dealer low blowing and not having shopped around. Looking at retail pricing and going through the motions and drama of selling it myself or someone else will bring that down a bit I'm sure.
Jet-Fighter7700
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Haval literally translates to "you shouldn't have" in Hebrew,
even if it could somehow fly in the air and drive itself, I will never get over that,
and besides, when these cars get to 10 and 15 years old, what will they be like, will they retain value?
will you get parts for them? will panelbeaters have experience dealing with them?
will you be able to go to any spares/scrap/midas and find parts for them?
I think people are buying these things without necessarily doing the arithmatic about long term ownership.
I think even the market isnt sure about them, as people dont buy cars like cellphones, you try to keep it going as long as possible,
will people do the same with these? even an electric version with a slightly depleted battery,
not to mention if one of them catches fire like we have seen before.
even if it could somehow fly in the air and drive itself, I will never get over that,
and besides, when these cars get to 10 and 15 years old, what will they be like, will they retain value?
will you get parts for them? will panelbeaters have experience dealing with them?
will you be able to go to any spares/scrap/midas and find parts for them?
I think people are buying these things without necessarily doing the arithmatic about long term ownership.
I think even the market isnt sure about them, as people dont buy cars like cellphones, you try to keep it going as long as possible,
will people do the same with these? even an electric version with a slightly depleted battery,
not to mention if one of them catches fire like we have seen before.
SauRoNZA
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Now a spanner entered the works because I reached out to the sales person who originally sold me the Haval since they have Geely in the same group and another demo out in Paarl and asked him if he can source it so I don't need to deal with someone else.
Thing is I emailed him weeks ago when the Ora 5 first launched asking for a demo of the electric one which is kind of where this whole avenue of car shopping started and literally this afternoon the first demo rolled in and I'm going to drive it tomorrow.
My original thought was Ora 5 because I wanted something smaller and more manageable which was also much more aligned on price to my liking but now that I've driven the Geely E5...it's not so clear cut any more.
Immediate losses would be annoying to my children that is the rear-seat fold down cup holder thing and the manual rearview mirror...which is more odd than an actual feature loss.
Of course the boot being smaller would mean I definitely need a new cooler box because I doubt it will fit in there with luggage as well.
Something I forgot on the E5 is that it bizarrely has no frunk even though there is **** loads of space for one. Apparently there's a RWD sportier model just released on the global market that does have it but still a weird skip for something that would set it apart from other cars.
Ora doesn't have a frunk either but at least there it seems to make more sense since it's much smaller. Overall I like the looks of the Ora 5 more so we shall see.
On the flip side the Ora is also a lot more funky and has a LOT more range on offer which is the one negative on the E5 compared to peers (not really available here) in the market.
Geely is throwing in the Wall Charger as part of the deal even on a demo, with the full brand new price also giving you a R5000 public charger card included, but my Haval man has already said he would sort that out on the Ora if I decided to go that way.
I do wonder if I should also go check out the iCaur O3T while I'm at it.
Thing is I emailed him weeks ago when the Ora 5 first launched asking for a demo of the electric one which is kind of where this whole avenue of car shopping started and literally this afternoon the first demo rolled in and I'm going to drive it tomorrow.
My original thought was Ora 5 because I wanted something smaller and more manageable which was also much more aligned on price to my liking but now that I've driven the Geely E5...it's not so clear cut any more.
Immediate losses would be annoying to my children that is the rear-seat fold down cup holder thing and the manual rearview mirror...which is more odd than an actual feature loss.
Of course the boot being smaller would mean I definitely need a new cooler box because I doubt it will fit in there with luggage as well.
Something I forgot on the E5 is that it bizarrely has no frunk even though there is **** loads of space for one. Apparently there's a RWD sportier model just released on the global market that does have it but still a weird skip for something that would set it apart from other cars.
Ora doesn't have a frunk either but at least there it seems to make more sense since it's much smaller. Overall I like the looks of the Ora 5 more so we shall see.
On the flip side the Ora is also a lot more funky and has a LOT more range on offer which is the one negative on the E5 compared to peers (not really available here) in the market.
Geely is throwing in the Wall Charger as part of the deal even on a demo, with the full brand new price also giving you a R5000 public charger card included, but my Haval man has already said he would sort that out on the Ora if I decided to go that way.
I do wonder if I should also go check out the iCaur O3T while I'm at it.
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SauRoNZA
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Haval has been in South Africa for 20 years...
No car really retains value over the 10-15 years they all go to complete ****, but quite honestly it's always been the last thing I think of...I'm buying the car for myself now not for the next person.
The Chinese will take a big knock, but at the same time you got more for less to start with so it somewhat evens out.
As for people not buying cars like cellphones...I think that's exactly what is starting to happen now myself included as I would never historically have looked at another car in 2-3 years time since buying the last but yet here I am. Especially people making use of balloon payments on GFV deals are intentionally doing just that with the plan to replace it again in 48 months and not have any lasting attachment or cost related to it...they see it purely as a monthly expense exactly like a phone contract.
Also EV's catching fire is only news because they are EV's....petrol cars catch fire far more often than electric cars.
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Jet-Fighter7700
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maybe, but comes time to sell it, big hit,
get into an accident, parts cost a kidney, and NOBODY has them,
and that is if you find somebody who can fix them,
I honestly think people are distracted by the shiny nature of all these cars, as are most Saffers,
oh look, I can press a button and it parks itself, .
but long term is where the real value is, in 15-20 years will there be enough of them on the roads?
will people hold on to them like a Yaris or a Corolla? will you be able to fix them resonably ?
I highly doubt it, even a 20 year old Haval, what is it worth now? peanuts probably,
rattletrap, leaking everything, parts impossible to find and nobody can maintain them.
do what you want with your money, just dont be distracted by shiny NEW things
after all Haval means what it does in Hebrew, I think that should tell you everything.
SauRoNZA
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Dude you are literally making up your own stats now from feelings.
Was absolutely no drama finding a panel beater right around the corner for my Haval.
Parts costing something is irrelevant really as that's an insurance concern and the premium on my Haval is no different to anything else not outlandish at all and very much in alignment with the market.
There are more Havals and Chery's on the road now than anything else, just look around and that's not going to change in 10-15 years.
If anything your concerns should be whether you'll be able to find parts for a German car that you buy now as they are far more likely not to be around in 15 years time.
20 year old cars are all worth nothing now unless they were somehow special in nature.
SauRoNZA
Honorary Master
Here's a 2017 Audi - https://www.cars.co.za/for-sale/use...uto--25-TFSI-Western-Cape-Cape-Town/11244503/
Here's a 2017 Haval - https://www.cars.co.za/for-sale/used/2017-Haval-H2-1.5T-City-Mpumalanga-Trichardt/10904172/
With more mileage too...and that Audi cost far more than that Haval did in 2017.
Here's a 2017 Haval - https://www.cars.co.za/for-sale/used/2017-Haval-H2-1.5T-City-Mpumalanga-Trichardt/10904172/
With more mileage too...and that Audi cost far more than that Haval did in 2017.