Main reasons you wouldn't get an EV?

Main reasons you wouldn't get an EV?

  • Cost

    Votes: 68 38.6%

  • Range anxiety

    Votes: 34 19.3%

  • Impracticality of long-distance driving

    Votes: 50 28.4%

  • Depreciation (secondhand resale value)

    Votes: 40 22.7%

  • Battery lifespan/replacement cost

    Votes: 50 28.4%

  • Lack of local support - parts replacement etc

    Votes: 20 11.4%

  • Just too many unknowns - maybe I will in a few years

    Votes: 28 15.9%

  • Lack of charging infrastructure

    Votes: 49 27.8%

  • Nothing beats the roar of a proper combustion engine

    Votes: 24 13.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 5.7%
  • Total voters
    176
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SauRoNZA said:
This just doesn't happen.

If it gets damaged to that point it's the same point at which any other car would have been written off anyway so pretty much inconsequential in the ICE vs EV argument.

Like I've shown you in another thread ICE cars catch fire far more often than EV's do by a considerable multiple.
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they catch fire more than you realize, they are expensive to fix should something go wrong and despite everything and all the advancements made in the years since the GM EV 1 debacle that was actually a good car,

they still cant compete with an ICE vehicle, I mean for instance putting the Hyundai Inster I mentioned earlier to my ancient Getz, drive from CPT up to JHB,

  • Hyundai Getz 1.4: Takes 14.5 – 15 hours total. It is significantly faster for a straight-through road trip and requires zero route planning, but costs roughly R700 – R900 more in fuel per direction.
  • Hyundai Inster: Takes 18 – 19 hours total due to multiple 30-minute charging stops. It saves substantially on running costs and offers superior modern comfort (adaptive cruise, quiet cabin, lane keep assist), but requires strict adherence to DC charger locations along the N1 route.
  • Hyundai Getz 1.4: Standard highway consumption gives it a reliable 550+ km range per tank, easily letting you cross the Karoo with minimal planning.
  • Hyundai Inster: While city range is roughly 300–350 km, maintaining 110–120 km/h on open highways (plus elevation gain climbing into Highveld territory) drops real-world highway range to ~200–220 km.

I mean you can compare the EV to any ICE vehicle out there, they STILL cant compete with the availability of petrol, ease of maintenece and despite the cost the fact you can carry a can of petrol with you and not call a tow truck cause the Stupid EV locks itself in P and cant be moved an inch
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
they catch fire more than you realize, they are expensive to fix should something go wrong and despite everything and all the advancements made in the years since the GM EV 1 debacle that was actually a good car,
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60 times less likely to catch fire than an ICE car.

It’s not even a conversation topic, because it’s pure bullshit.

I mean you can compare the EV to any ICE vehicle out there, they STILL cant compete with the availability of petrol, ease of maintenece and despite the cost the fact you can carry a can of petrol with you and not call a tow truck cause the Stupid EV locks itself in P and cant be moved an inch
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What on earth are you talking about now? Literally the most ridiculous statement you’ve made yet.

As for carrying a can of petrol…sure you can’t do that…but you can’t plug your ICE car into literally any wall socket either so this goes both ways.

So while you do have some reasonable points you are still dealing in loads of false facts and just rolling with it because you made your mind up that you’ll hate these things and now don’t want to adapt that mindset.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Have not seen this to be true having recently quoted on a full electric Geely E5 and comparing it to my Haval H6 it was very much inline considering the car is much higher value and came in much cheaper than the expected 5% of the total value per annum.
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All of the above but in the near future Insurance impact, cost and refusal to insure EV's.
 
Hemi300c said:
All of the above but in the near future Insurance impact, cost and refusal to insure EV's.
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Where are you hearing this?

My wife is an actuary and regularly converses with acturies in the short term insurance industry and none of them have raised any concerns or issues with EVs. In fact quite a few of them drive EVs themselves.

So if the people who actually calculate the premiums and build the risk models don't have an issue with EVs, I am not sure where you are getting your info.
 
WollieVerstege said:
Where are you hearing this?

My wife is an actuary and regularly converses with acturies in the short term insurance industry and none of them have raised any concerns or issues with EVs. In fact quite a few of them drive EVs themselves.

So if the people who actually calculate the premiums and build the risk models don't have an issue with EVs, I am not sure where you are getting your info.
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WollieVerstege said:
Where are you hearing this?

My wife is an actuary and regularly converses with acturies in the short term insurance industry and none of them have raised any concerns or issues with EVs. In fact quite a few of them drive EVs themselves.

So if the people who actually calculate the premiums and build the risk models don't have an issue with EVs, I am not sure where you are getting your info.
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BS, I am in insurance for 42yrs now.

I've been in various areas of the industry.

Talk to the Fleet Insurers and get it straight from them. The specialists not the w@nkers in the industry that give it a bad name.

As in my first post it's on it's way, but already specialist fleet insurers don't want EV's.
 
Hemi300c said:
BS, I am in insurance for 42yrs now.

I've been in various areas of the industry.

Talk to the Fleet Insurers and get it straight from them. The specialists not the w@nkers in the industry that give it a bad name.

As in my first post it's on it's way, but already specialist fleet insurers don't want EV's.
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So the actuaries that are the backbone of the industry are wrong. Literally the entire insurance industry is built around their work.

Your list also does not make any sense, it might have made sense 10 or 15 years ago, but not anymore. Someone is leading you down the garden path.

And yes, I have spoken to one of Santam's biggest brokers who insures EVs for one of my businesses and he has mentioned nothing about what you are saying.
 
Hemi300c said:
BS, I am in insurance for 42yrs now.

I've been in various areas of the industry.

Talk to the Fleet Insurers and get it straight from them. The specialists not the w@nkers in the industry that give it a bad name.

As in my first post it's on it's way, but already specialist fleet insurers don't want EV's.
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But fleets are an entirely different proposition, that doesn’t automatically equate to the consumer level insurance.
 
WollieVerstege said:
So the actuaries that are the backbone of the industry are wrong. Literally the entire insurance industry is built around their work.

Your list also does not make any sense, it might have made sense 10 or 15 years ago, but not anymore. Someone is leading you down the garden path.

And yes, I have spoken to one of Santam's biggest brokers who insures EVs for one of my businesses and he has mentioned nothing about what you are saying.
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The fleet insurers are the specialists.
You'll see. I am not talking about nothing other than Fleet Insurers as yet. It's on its way - as stated.
 
Hemi300c said:
The fleet insurers are the specialists.
You'll see. I am not talking about nothing other than Fleet Insurers as yet. It's on its way - as stated.
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OK, can you give a time frame? Because my fleet insurer has no clue what you are talking about. If you want you can DM me the name of the fleet insurer that you are working with.
However, if it they do do it would be one of the dumbest business decisions taken in history.
The whole world is shifting to electrification, not doing it would be going against the global trends and also ignore very key information around economies of scale - which is a big risk for insurance companies that they need to mitigate.
An SA insurance company that thinks it can operate outside global economic trends need to have its head read.
 
Hemi300c said:
The fleet insurers are the specialists.
You'll see. I am not talking about nothing other than Fleet Insurers as yet. It's on its way - as stated.
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But then that doesn’t necessarily have any bearing on consumers.

It’s two entirely different markets.
 
WollieVerstege said:
OK, can you give a time frame? Because my fleet insurer has no clue what you are talking about. If you want you can DM me the name of the fleet insurer that you are working with.
However, if it they do do it would be one of the dumbest business decisions taken in history.
The whole world is shifting to electrification, not doing it would be going against the global trends and also ignore very key information around economies of scale - which is a big risk for insurance companies that they need to mitigate.
An SA insurance company that thinks it can operate outside global economic trends need to have its head read.
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Nope I have no time frame but it's coming and as I mentioned it'll either be a no or you'll pay heavily for it.
As far as Insurers go the specialist fleet insurers including SHA (Stalker Hutchinson) which is recently now Santam.
 
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