Helen Zille: The 75-year-old white grandmother taking on the ANC in Johannesburg

ShaunSA said:
The NP came.
The NP stole and destroyed.
And now the NP is gone.



Needed to add some history before yours. Now the question is who/what comes next... :unsure:
Click to expand...
Let me correct that for you - your history is lacking.

The NP came.
The NP oppressed and build.
And now the NP is gone.
 
TheChamp said:
We don't want to die from Cholera, it's so undignified in this day and age, Tshwane people learnt the hard way what happens when you put the DA in power.
Click to expand...

Now we just live with 90%+ dead street lights.

And that cholera thing, so before the DA ran the city for a short while the Rooiwal plant was in tip top shape and properly invested in?

1790775850021.png
 
ShaunSA said:
Potatoe patata

I'm more interested in which thief comes next
Click to expand...
The best hope for a DA led coalition - but lets also be honest you can not fix over night what the ANC has spend many year breaking down. Even with the DA in power what are you going to do with all those thieving ANC / EFF cadres working for the city?
 
wasnt Zille once in charge and it didnt end well?
isnt JHB just a dumpster fire of so many people and comrades with fingers in 100 pies.
that to fix it, you might as well pave over it and start from scratch.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
wasnt Zille once in charge and it didnt end well?
isnt JHB just a dumpster fire of so many people and comrades with fingers in 100 pies.
that to fix it, you might as well pave over it and start from scratch.
Click to expand...

Joburg has been victim to weak coalition governments and political battles (along with the usual systemic corruption and incompetence).

The DA (not Zille) held the mayorship for a time but the usual political games saw them ousted.

To have any hope of fixing Joburg, dump the DA would need a majority or form a coalition with parties they can actually work with. They will also need to check their own arrogance when it comes to working with the smaller parties they may have to align with.

Absolutely no positives will come if the ANC, MK, EFF or ActionSA snakes are a part of that coalition.
 
thestaggy said:
Absolutely no positives will come if the ANC, MK, EFF or ActionSA snakes are a part of that coalition.
Click to expand...
I do agree with that,

but is the Rot in JHB easy for the DA to fix?
hence my point, are things too far gone in JHB, and most people long ago given up
and either moved to outside JHB like Sandton CBD or Midrand/PTA or somewhere else, deciding that trying to fix a sunken ship is simply not worth it.

I mean can they really make a difference? especially now that the fingers are in 100 pies in everything from the fire department
to the police to the road construction crews to the traffic signal maintenance crews,

one thing that struck me about CPT is stuff gets done in CPT, whereas in JHB sadly its so far gone that the last time I was there I was in a state of shock at what it looks like.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
I do agree with that,

but is the Rot in JHB easy for the DA to fix?
hence my point, are things too far gone in JHB, and most people long ago given up
and either moved to outside JHB like Sandton CBD or Midrand/PTA or somewhere else, deciding that trying to fix a sunken ship is simply not worth it.

I mean can they really make a difference? especially now that the fingers are in 100 pies in everything from the fire department
to the police to the road construction crews to the traffic signal maintenance crews,

one thing that struck me about CPT is stuff gets done in CPT, whereas in JHB sadly its so far gone that the last time I was there I was in a state of shock at what it looks like.
Click to expand...

No, it won't be easy and in some places the rot won't even be reversible.

Benrose, the former industrial hub to the east of the CBD, is shot to hell with informal settlements encroaching right opposite derelict factories. Nobody is occupying those factories due to this and the stripped infrastraucture in the area (street lights, traffic lights and rail line) won't last if they tried to replace it. They don't even put up stop signs in Benrose anymore because they just get cut down, and the stop signs replaced traffic lights that were repeatedly cut down.
 
thestaggy said:
Joburg has been victim to weak coalition governments and political battles (along with the usual systemic corruption and incompetence).

The DA (not Zille) held the mayorship for a time but the usual political games saw them ousted.

To have any hope of fixing Joburg, dump the DA would need a majority or form a coalition with parties they can actually work with. They will also need to check their own arrogance when it comes to working with the smaller parties they may have to align with.

Absolutely no positives will come if the ANC, MK, EFF or ActionSA snakes are a part of that coalition.
Click to expand...
If history is anything to go by, the DA led coalition in Cape Town didn't really work until the DA attained the majority of 50% plus.

The only way Johannesburg will ever begin to right the ship is for the 75-year-old granny to get 50% plus and hold executive mayoral powers.
Sweeping changes are needed and without the executive powers to do so, it's going to be a rough 5 years.

The voting people of Johannesburg have this once off chance to take back their city.
It's not going to fix things, it's only going to right the ship as was the case with the DA in Cape Town after 2011.

If Zille doesn't get 50% or more, I'm washing my hands of Johannesburg.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
I do agree with that,

but is the Rot in JHB easy for the DA to fix?
hence my point, are things too far gone in JHB, and most people long ago given up
and either moved to outside JHB like Sandton CBD or Midrand/PTA or somewhere else, deciding that trying to fix a sunken ship is simply not worth it.

I mean can they really make a difference? especially now that the fingers are in 100 pies in everything from the fire department
to the police to the road construction crews to the traffic signal maintenance crews,

one thing that struck me about CPT is stuff gets done in CPT, whereas in JHB sadly its so far gone that the last time I was there I was in a state of shock at what it looks like.
Click to expand...
Once saw an article/study that claimed it took the DA 8 years to turn Cape Town around, once they fully ousted the ANC.
But, Cape Town was not nearly as far gone as what JHB is.
There might be some quick wins, and hopefully they can do enough to at least ensure they keep control past the next election.
 
thestaggy said:
No, it won't be easy and in some places the rot won't even be reversible.
Click to expand...
exactly this, does Zille really think she can right the ship in JHB? I mean even if she gets a supermajority (unlikely)
does she actually have the authority and foresight to replace entire departments that are nothing but glorified mafias and criminals?

WollieVerstege said:
Once saw an article/study that claimed it took the DA 8 years to turn Cape Town around, once they fully ousted the ANC.
But, Cape Town was not nearly as far gone as what JHB is.
There might be some quick wins, and hopefully they can do enough to at least ensure they keep control past the next election.
Click to expand...
exactly my Point, CPT luckily still had some people who valued well run, clean and maintained cities,
probably because of all the tourists and foreigners who came for other things, JHB I dont think is so lucky,

JHB attractions consist of things far outside the city like Kruger, otherwise only things related to Business and work
and even then CPT has its own, making JHB increasingly irrelevant for practically everything IMO

for instance Amazon, why only a CPT office, no JHB office whatsoever,

dont get me wrong would love to see JHB shine as it did when I first got here in the late 90's, but its decline has been going on for a very long time and nobody seems to really care at this point,

even if Zille wins, it will take a herculean effort to turn JHB around IMO, and all it takes in one little no confidence vote from all the people with vested interests in keeping JHB as filthy and dilapidated as it is, for there to be real change, I think Zille ust demolish things and thats a tough ask.
 
Don't talk like that about Champ's proudly South African city. He thinks it's great as it is!

Why wouldn't it be, the ANC have been running it for the majority since democracy, so it must be doing fantastic.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
wasnt Zille once in charge and it didnt end well?
isnt JHB just a dumpster fire of so many people and comrades with fingers in 100 pies.
that to fix it, you might as well pave over it and start from scratch.
Click to expand...

DA itself was in charge, not her, they got manipulated if I recall right. DA are #@%#% but we still need Zille 🤷‍♂️

She's got a good record for fixing difficult things.

:popcorn:
 
Brian_G said:
DA itself was in charge, not her, they got manipulated if I recall right. DA are #@%#% but we still need Zille 🤷‍♂️

She's got a good record for fixing difficult things.

:popcorn:
Click to expand...
lets be honest here, Zille is no Rudi guiliani
can this 75 year old grandma fix JHB given all the people who have huge incentive to keep it looking like a dumpster fire?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top
Sign up to the MyBroadband newsletter
X