Steve Hofmeyr: I voted yes for the new South Africa but it was a mistake

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satanboy said:
Registered Voters: 3,296,800 white South African citizens.


Didn't realise the number of registered voters was so low.
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Well the entire white population was roughly 5 million, a bit higher than now.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Strange how all the Yes voters are still alive. What vleis are they eating?
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A lot are probably dead as well, but considering how young people tend to swing more to activism, they'd be the ones voting yes, leading to more of them being alive? But considering it's over 68% who voted yes, you would statistically find way more of them then the nos, dead or alive.
 
Stonemason said:
Obviously, that did not happen and South Africa went from an advanced first world country to a typical African sh*thole.
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Roughly 50% of the population of the country has access to electricity in 1994. The "South Africa was a first world country" only really applied to white people.
 
Cray said:
Roughly 50% of the population of the country has access to electricity in 1994. The "South Africa was a first world country" only really applied to white people.
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54% by 1994, 58% by 1996, Eskom had been on a drive since the 80s to get that number up. Plus that was majority rural areas, I had family who didn't get electricity until 1992.
32 years later it's at 90%. But the population is much higher now than it was in 1994. But still guess 6.3 million without electricity isn't too bad considering.
 
Stonemason said:
There was no mentoring . New ANC ministers fired the DG's of their departments within days of them taking office. This left the civil service without experienced leadership and the rot started almost immediately.
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My uncle tells a similar story.

He worked in what would now fall under the Johannesburg Roads Agency as a draughtsman, specifically drawing up plans for and designing the layout of road intersections.

Within months of the 1994 elections the director of his department was replaced by what we would now term a cadre, because the newly appointed person had no clue how to do his job, so he was obviously there because he knew someone.

The director role wasn't administrative in the context of how my uncle's department functioned, you actually had to have technical insight and needed to be involved in what was happening with the people you were overseeing. The cadre was not this person. Within a few months of forcing the old guy out, they brought him back as a consultant to ''mentor'' the cadre, effectively paying two people to do one job. When the old guy came back, it wasn't long before the cadre started going MIA. The old guy continued as a consultant until he had enough and cancelled his contract. My uncle stayed on for a few years before quitting, citing how dysfunctional things had become due to the lack of competent management and a consequence of all the new AA appointments (emphasis not being placed on ability when hiring) replacing experienced people, who were being rushed out of the door.

Now replicate the above across every facet of local and national government and in SOEs and we can see how quickly things would have started to unravel.
 
WanderingMind said:
Yeah, but the yes vote and how the country was surrendered was absolutely dumb.

They should never have given the country to a terrorist group to begin with. That's the dumbest thing ever.

Point 1
Remove all race based laws. This would already probably removed sanctions.

Point 2
If they were so keen on actual democracy then people with 10 years of working experience and a degree should vote.

Or

Do democracy with a lottery system.

Democracy as done by the current system is just stupid.

Point 3
The constitution should have prevented any old or new forms of race laws.
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Perhaps the notion that the country was "surrendered" is the problem, it has entitlement vibes about it.
 
rustypup said:
NOBODY trades/negotiates in any ZA language. Not even Afrikaans.

Japan, China and India all require English/German/French be present. For good reason. Ditto France, Germany, Spain.

For ZA, English should be primary with Home for secondary - because ALL our trading partners use English. Mandarin may make more sense soon.

Historical reasons for this state of affairs aside, avoiding the reality is not helping.
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Jonathan Jansen shared your view. He's not much of an academic though. This has been studied, and mother tongue education comes out on top as it allows the learner the time to master English properly. The Chinese have known this for years and implemented it early.
 
Cray said:
Roughly 50% of the population of the country has access to electricity in 1994. The "South Africa was a first world country" only really applied to white people.
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The problem is that the people who got electricity after 1994 either refused to pay for their electricity or were unable to do so. This quickly led to municipalities collapsing all over the country because they still had to pay Eskom for that electricity. The roll out of power to more people is often mentioned by the ANC as a victory but they conveniently forget to say what it cost the country,
 
Maurice Kitching said:
Jonathan Jansen shared your view. He's not much of an academic though. This has been studied, and mother tongue education comes out on top as it allows the learner the time to master English properly. The Chinese have known this for years and implemented it early.
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Not only him, it's a common thing, if you need to learn a language first to learn a subject, you're going to struggle.
www.unesco.org

Why mother language-based education is essential

www.unesco.org www.unesco.org
 
Smiggles said:
It showed us that this quote is spot on though. PW Botha really nailed it out of the park with this one. He was spot on.
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Sure, except when you spend a fraction on black kids' education than you spend on white kids' as they're only fit to be "hewers of wood and carriers of water", you split up families and destroy social fabric through the migrant labour system, and forcibly remove people from where they live and send them off elsewhere or to homelands, you would have to be something of a doffie yourself to expect a different outcome.

Hardly a prophet our PW, more of an architect.
 
Smiggles said:
It showed us that this quote is spot on though. PW Botha really nailed it out of the park with this one. He was spot on.
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Sorry oom but PW was full of k@k. The attribution of maladministration to skin colour or culture is fallacious at best and deliberately supremacist at worst. "White" people do not have the monopoly on good governance and Black people are not inherently corrupt.

Oom PW was blustering out of his arse because he knew his ideology was being exposed to be false, so he threw the Rooi Gevaar nonsense at a few gullible enough to fall for it...for a little while longer anyway.
 
The Darkness said:
Sad that this thinking was even entertained.
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It was entertained being it was both convenient and beneficial to the audience who accepted it. When they could no longer delude themselves, they turned to FW to at least cover their blushes
 
TheChamp said:
Perhaps the notion that the country was "surrendered" is the problem, it has entitlement vibes about it.
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I would not use that term if all racial laws was just removed instead we are now sitting with more racial than in prime apartheid.

I was a small child when all this happened and are being told I cannot do stuff because my skin is not dark.

The exact reason sanctions were placed on South Africa is still in affect.

The current government is acting as if I am a enemy and not a resident.
 
WanderingMind said:
I would not use that term if all racial laws was just removed instead we are now sitting with more racial than in prime apartheid.

I was a small child when all this happened and are being told I cannot do stuff because my skin is not dark.

The exact reason sanctions were placed on South Africa is still in affect.

The current government is acting as if I am a enemy and not a resident.
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What cant you do?
 
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