Flydubai flight diverts to Saudi Arabia amid reports of pilot fight

wingnut771 said:
Yes, 160km/h over cruising speed makes stuff fall off?

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Apparently so...

The maximum operating speed (VMO/MMO) for the Boeing 737 MAX 8 is Mach 0.82 (or approximately 541 knots / 623 mph / 1,003 km/h), which serves as its core "do not exceed" speed limit. [1]

Key Speed Limitations
    • Maximum Operating Speed (MMO): Mach 0.82 at higher altitudes where compressibility and Mach buffet become critical.
    • Maximum Operating Limit (VMO): 340 knots Indicated Airspeed (KIAS) at lower altitudes.
    • Standard Terminal Limit: 250 knots below 10,000 feet (regulatory air traffic constraint rather than an airframe structural limit, though managed via the Flight Management Computer). [1, 2]
Operational Context
  • Normal Cruise: Typically operates comfortably around Mach 0.79 (530 knots).
  • Overspeed Exceedances: Severe structural stress or steep dives (such as emergency descents or uncontained events) can push the aircraft past these maximum design limits, risking structural damage like control surface failure or rudder separation.
 
wingnut771 said:
So the front falls off when you go 160km/h over cruising speed?
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When that little thing known as the sound barrier falls inside the excess, possibly. :p

Speaking of g-forces combined with straight in-line (over)speed, I hear that the airframe may be scrapped, depending on what damage is found to have occurred. I suppose it's possible.
 
Boeing has just released a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) requiring the immediate retro-fitting of a bullet-proof glass partition to separate the pilot & first officer in all Boeing 737, 747, 757, 767, 777 & 787 series aircraft (especially those currently being operated in the Middle East region)... ;)

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HAL 9000 said:
Boeing has just released a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) requiring the immediate retro-fitting of a bullet-proof glass partition to separate the pilot & first officer in all Boeing 737, 747, 757, 767, 777 & 787 series aircraft (especially those currently being operated in the Middle East region)... ;)

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"Gear down."
"Nope."
"Gear down!"
"Nuh-uh."
 
Bit of common sense:

If the copilot's (attacker) intent was terrorism, etc, why would he do this mid air?

It would be far more damaging (with no chance of failed plans etc) for him to do it right at the landing , he could take out a portion of the airport etc. Much more damage to Israel if that was the intent.

But then again the media don't work with common sense. They just sell a story.

The whole story just reeks of a con job.
 
Sparky43 said:
Bit of common sense:

If the copilot's (attacker) intent was terrorism, etc, why would he do this mid air?

It would be far more damaging (with no chance of failed plans etc) for him to do it right at the landing , he could take out a portion of the airport etc. Much more damage to Israel if that was the intent.

But then again the media don't work with common sense. They just sell a story.

The whole story just reeks of a con job.
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I haven't read exact timelines but is it not that the dive came during the altercation?

Possibly the copilot was trying to do something dodgy like turn off transponder, or clear/change the flight route and the captain questioned it - it became an altercation as the captain realized what's happening and in the fighting maybe he tried to just dive the plane either on purpose or by accident?

I do agree its a bit off, he could have waited for much better timing so i'm wondering if it wasn't that his motive was discovered...
 
Vrotappel said:
Who is disappointed. This is predictable by now.

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You mean will they just jump to conclusions like partisan X accounts would, or would they prefer to report accurately once the facts are known?

We've already been told that the flight was saved by a Saffa, a Kiwi, a Brit, and an Israeli plumber who somehow learned all about landing planes in between the modules he studied on water reticulation equipment and sewage regulations, so lots remains unclear.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
It looks like authorities have confiscated phones of all passengers because I see no footage anywhere. Or perhaps they were warned not to go public due to nature of incident.
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Sky News was looping video last night taken of the pilots being treated in the cabin. Also saw photos of the cabin.
 
neoprema said:
I haven't read exact timelines but is it not that the dive came during the altercation?

Possibly the copilot was trying to do something dodgy like turn off transponder, or clear/change the flight route and the captain questioned it - it became an altercation as the captain realized what's happening and in the fighting maybe he tried to just dive the plane either on purpose or by accident?

I do agree its a bit off, he could have waited for much better timing so i'm wondering if it wasn't that his motive was discovered...
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My point is, From the attackers point of view, why would he start in mid air... Rather start the "altercation" 1 min away from landing.
 
Sparky43 said:
My point is, From the attackers point of view, why would he start in mid air... Rather start the "altercation" 1 min away from landing.
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What if his intention was simply to crash the plane there and then? It has happened in the past. Why overthink things or think that everything is always faked?
 
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