14,000 tonnes of radioactive metal to be mined in South Africa for new nuclear power stations

[Lupus]

all it takes is some to get miscounted or lost or mislabeled, and we all know that's entirely possible.
and dont say it cant happen, cause we dont know it Hasn't already happened and been covered up to avoid a panic.
after all governments Lie and deceive all the time and go to great lengths to avoid telling the truth.

we the average joes know nothing, right up until we get a radioactive tan from an incident, they swear up and down cant happen.
I mean, need I mention this dude?

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Yes the worst nuclear disaster we had, from 1986 already on an old outdated reactor and you're using a picture from a mini series that is going to be more dramatic

 

[Lupus]

a critical part of safely running a nuclear power station nonetheless
under the right circumstances it could have been catastrophic, "luckily" we only paid with 6 months of severe loadshedding

not disputing Koeberg's generally good track record, but it has not all been "competence" over the years

roll on PBMR tech, didn't know about HTMR-100 until today and the chance we could partner with China in this space where they've taken the lead holds much potential

And that was only CPT, the rest of the country had no issues.

 

[Lupus]

Sure, take four d20s and they must all roll 20

 

[Brian_G]

roll on PBMR tech, didn't know about HTMR-100 until today and the chance we could partner with China in this space where they've taken the lead holds much potential

Better, but still much concern given that the ANC & co. don't follow any rules at all.... they just keep making them for others.

Annd, letting the Chinese gain more control... not so wise either

 

[Brian_G]

Sewage flows in the street.

Oh, let's get more nuclear

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

And that was only CPT, the rest of the country had no issues.

the initial blackout was the entire western cape

I remember it like it was yesterday, was having lunch with colleagues at the royal cape yacht club and someone told us there's no point heading back to work, traffic is a mess

so we ordered another round of beer

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

letting the Chinese gain more control... not so wise either

100%, but they are the most advanced in this tech sadly

apparently the Russians push their large reactor designs and lock you into decades long production agreements
no wonder Rosatom maintains a business presence here, they want a piece of the pie of course

 

[netstrider]

a critical part of safely running a nuclear power station nonetheless
under the right circumstances it could have been catastrophic, "luckily" we only paid with 6 months of severe loadshedding

not disputing Koeberg's generally good track record, but it has not all been "competence" over the years

roll on PBMR tech, didn't know about HTMR-100 until today and the chance we could partner with China in this space where they've taken the lead holds much potential

As with all people, there will be human error at some point or another.

My point here is mostly to dispute that nuclear is inherently more dangerous than other forms of energy. There are hydroelectric and coal energy disasters as well. Environmentally, mining lithium drains huge amounts of water from some of the driest places on earth. Not to mention the chemicals used in processing.

Each has its own pros and cons but for some reason nuclear bears the brunt of the "bad rap" and yet it's one of the safest forms of energy and probably the cleanest source of 24/7 energy.

 

[Lupus]

the initial blackout was the entire western cape

I remember it like it was yesterday, was having lunch with colleagues at the royal cape yacht club and someone told us there's no point heading back to work, traffic is a mess

so we ordered another round of beer

Yup, nothing up here at the time first load shedding I knew of was in early 2008, yet apparently it started in late 2007?

 

[Lupus]

As with all people, there will be human error at some point or another.

My point here is mostly to dispute that nuclear is inherently more dangerous than other forms of energy. There are hydroelectric and coal energy disasters as well. Environmentally, mining lithium drains huge amounts of water from some of the driest places on earth. Not to mention the chemicals used in processing.

Each has its own pros and cons but for some reason nuclear bears the brunt of the "bad rap" and yet it's one of the safest forms of energy and probably the cleanest source of 24/7 energy.

Also radioactive material has a half-life, arsenic doesn't.

 

[Brian_G]

Each has its own pros and cons but for some reason nuclear bears the brunt of the "bad rap" and yet it's one of the safest forms of energy and probably the cleanest source of 24/7 energy.

1. Nuclear damage is bad, much lasts a long, long time.
2. This is Africa

 

[Lupus]

Oddly enough this is what the Eskom spokesperson said in 2007

Load shedding could continue for the next five to seven years. During this time, Eskom is looking at various sources of energy. New gas turbines are to be built and a coal power plant is to be completed in 2012, he said.

I mean sure we didn't have LS from mid 2008 till around late 2014, but yeah 2012 haha

 

[Lupus]

1. Nuclear damage is bad, much lasts a long, long time.
2. This is Africa

So is the waste released from coal and it doesn't degrade and that stuff is just stored in ash dams

 

[Brian_G]

So is the waste released from coal and it doesn't degrade and that stuff is just stored in ash dams

Hardly comparable. As we know, nuclear sites that go boom are too dangerous to visit, isolated for many, many km.

Anyway, you can't be sensible about everything... I understand that. You too are human

 

[Brian_G]

Safer to tell Greenies to f-off and use our off-shore gas fields.

Either way they'll stuff it up, so

 

[Lupus]

Hardly comparable. As we know, nuclear sites that go boom are too dangerous to visit, isolated for many, many km.

Anyway, you can't be sensible about everything... I understand that. You too are human

But they don't go boom, they meltdown. Plus tell that to the people near the coal power stations coughing their lungs out.
Plus eventually the radioactive material becomes less radioactive over time. The stuff in coal ash, the heavy metals, the arsenic and and, that can kill someone 300 000 years from now.
Plus it's not even stored in anyway as securely as nuclear, plus out of 80 years there's been one major nuclear incident.

 

[Lupus]

Safer to tell Greenies to f-off and use our off-shore gas fields.

Either way they'll stuff it up, so

So you want to swap the cleanest electricity for one of the dirties and more expensive?

 

[Brian_G]

So you want to swap the cleanest electricity for one of the dirties and more expensive?

At least we'll live to tell the tale...

Anyway, ANC = no can do, whatever happens.
/done

 

[Sopbeen]

Hardly comparable. As we know, nuclear sites that go boom are too dangerous to visit, isolated for many, many km.

Anyway, you can't be sensible about everything... I understand that. You too are human

Yea it is hardly comparable. Coal kills a lot more people per year than nuclear has in its entire history.

Chernobyl and Fukushima combined killed less than 3000 people. More people died during 9/11 than during two of the worst nuclear disasters in history.

Edit: Amped to see thorium reactors in ZA. I never thought our backwards leaders would consider building the latest and greatest. They benefit from a ton of research and safety features that none of the older designs had.

 

[Fuzzbox]

Power stations will be ready in about 500 years.

AC = Alternating Current
DC = Direct Current

ANC = Absolutely no current.