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Cray said:
What hard work do you do out of curiosity?
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Interesting that you've responded to a claim about occupational differences by asking about my personal job rather than addressing the claim itself.

Do you believe a statement about a profession's physical demands is only valid if the person making it works in that profession?

If so, historians can't discuss ancient Rome and economists can't discuss industries they've never worked in.

Let's address the argument, not the person.
 
TheMightyQuin said:
Interesting that you've responded to a claim about occupational differences by asking about my personal job rather than addressing the claim itself.

Do you believe a statement about a profession's physical demands is only valid if the person making it works in that profession?

If so, historians can't discuss ancient Rome and economists can't discuss industries they've never worked in.

Let's address the argument, not the person.
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I was trying to get you to think more about the statement..

Also refuses to do 99% of hard work.
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What does that even mean, that men do far more sh*tty jobs than woman? That woman don't do difficult jobs that require intelligence and training. Hell, I'll be the first to admit I don't do a "hard" job, but I sure as hell had to study and learn and work hard to get here. I reckon if you go to a country like China, plenty of woman do hard, sh*tty jobs because they have no other choice, same as men. People don't do hard, sh*tty jobs because it's their choice, prefernce or duty. They do them when there is no other choice to make a living. These people aren't slaves, everyone has the option to better themselves or choose not to work in a certain sector.

And then there is the further argument, some hard jobs are recognised as being very demanding and the compensation is very high to match. Take a job like saturation diver, it's dangerous, lonely work but the pay and off time makes up for it. But also, there would clearly be physical requirements for a job like that which would probably mean there are hardly any woman doing that job.

So tell me, what do you mean when you say "Women refuse to do 99%" of hard work, because it sounds like BS.
 
Cray said:
I was trying to get you to think more about the statement..



What does that even mean, that men do far more sh*tty jobs than woman? That woman don't do difficult jobs that require intelligence and training. Hell, I'll be the first to admit I don't do a "hard" job, but I sure as hell had to study and learn and work hard to get here. I reckon if you go to a country like China, plenty of woman do hard, sh*tty jobs because they have no other choice, same as men. People don't do hard, sh*tty jobs because it's their choice, prefernce or duty. They do them when there is no other choice to make a living. These people aren't slaves, everyone has the option to better themselves or choose not to work in a certain sector.

And then there is the further argument, some hard jobs are recognised as being very demanding and the compensation is very high to match. Take a job like saturation diver, it's dangerous, lonely work but the pay and off time makes up for it. But also, there would clearly be physical requirements for a job like that which would probably mean there are hardly any woman doing that job.

So tell me, what do you mean when you say "Women refuse to do 99%" of hard work, because it sounds like BS.
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2023 Worldwide stats on woman in certain industries.
 
Cray said:
What percentage of the men in these industries are forced to work in these jobs? Or do yu think woman should be forced to workj in certain industries to make things truly equal?
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I have no idea. Why don't you see if you can find a study about it and share the details with us.

Azbubu said:
Why’s everyone gangbanging @Cray? Did he/she consent to this?
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We're white males so apparently consent isn't needed.
 
Cray said:
So tell me, what do you mean when you say "Women refuse to do 99%" of hard work, because it sounds like BS.
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Answered.

Cray said:
What percentage of the men in these industries are forced to work in these jobs? Or do yu think woman should be forced to workj in certain industries to make things truly equal?
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If they have to force woman to make up the numbers, would that make you happy? Equality at long last, right?
 
Crowley said:
Answered.
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Selecting jobs that are better is not the same as refusing to do sh*tty. Otherwise you could also say that the male CEO also refuses to do 99% of hard jobs.

Crowley said:
If they have to force woman to make up the numbers, would that make you happy? Equality at long last, right?
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Not really a fan of slavery, men doing sh*tty jobs is a factor of their choices/qualifications/circumstances. If men are in terrible jobs, they are free to leave and do something else, punishing woman by forcing them to do the same horrible jobs is nuts.
 
Women do some very hardcore jobs/work, especially in poorer or 3rd world countries, go into any sweatshop and see the ladies lined up doing 12hr shifts in horrendous conditions. The fact that they aren't are strong/robust as men in some regards may mean there aren't many of them in some work situations but a common female occupation of working as a maid all day everyday for peanuts, cleaning up other people is surely one of the most distasteful jobs and tough on the body, hardly an easy job. Farming is also often left to the ladies in many 3rd world countries, a very tough job.

But I find all these debates pointless though, the men crying about women having easy jobs typically have easy jobs themselves and why resort to stereotypes, sure some women are lazy prima donnas but then so are many men and on the flip side many ladies do hardcore jobs, easily equivalent to what men do.

It’s a fair quest to ask Dramaqueen what job he does, talks big but fatso probably works in a cushy office pushing buttons like bad ass.
 
Am I off in getting the impression that things were consensual and at some stage afterwards, she was (or felt) pressured to change her version?
 
airborne said:
Women do some very hardcore jobs/work, especially in poorer or 3rd world countries, go into any sweatshop and see the ladies lined up doing 12hr shifts in horrendous conditions. The fact that they aren't are strong/robust as men in some regards may mean there aren't many of them in some work situations but a common female occupation of working as a maid all day everyday for peanuts, cleaning up other people is surely one of the most distasteful jobs and tough on the body, hardly an easy job. Farming is also often left to the ladies in many 3rd world countries, a very tough job.

But I find all these debates pointless though, the men crying about women having easy jobs typically have easy jobs themselves and why resort to stereotypes, sure some women are lazy prima donnas but then so are many men and on the flip side many ladies do hardcore jobs, easily equivalent to what men do.

It’s a fair quest to ask Dramaqueen what job he does, talks big but fatso probably works in a cushy office pushing buttons like bad ass.
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