The ANC plan to strip people of their citizenship if they criticise South Africa

Jam Sandwich said:
We are fkd.... 😂
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no we arent, the ANC regularly makes decision that fall apart with the smallest constitutional scrutiny,
they tried that with NHI and EWC and secrecy bills and numerous other "plans" and ideas that went nowhere slowly.

I get where they trying to go, but were a long way from President for life Xi ramaphosa
 
SykomantiS said:
They already tried. Concourt handed their asses to them. That's why DHA / My home affairs online has a portal where you can check for and apply for reinstatement of citizenship.
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But it is a fun one to explore, tongue in the cheek.

So what would happen if the whole WC said FU ANC?

Suddenly you'd have a province invaded by non-citizens that can flip various state institutions the birdie. Hello secession!

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Treason they say.... thats interesting, I seem to remember that Treason isn't covered by our current criminal laws anyway so maybe the next step is to threaten those guilty of treason with hanging.
 
ISP cash cow said:
It can't be done anyway as through our constitution

No citizen may be deprived of their citizenship
guarantees freedom of expression.

Just more hot air coming out of a bafoons mouth
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I wouldn't be too sure. Racial discrimination, expropriation without compensation (see mineral rights and water acts), complete inconsistency of free speech.

SA constitution is a mere suggestion unfortunately. If the judges think the purpose of a piece of legislation is for racial justice and equity, they will steamroll literally any right, no matter how clearly written.

You will see the SA government argue when defending such actions that nasty evil people like Ernst Roets are undermining transformation, and therefore that is a justifiable reason to strip him of his citizenship.
 
SykomantiS said:
They already tried. Concourt handed their asses to them. That's why DHA / My home affairs online has a portal where you can check for and apply for reinstatement of citizenship.
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That judgment doesn't help in any way.

The Court held that this automatic loss of citizenship brought about by the impugned provision is a form of deprivation in contravention of the fundamental right contained in section 20 of the Constitution. Insofar as the Act is the legislation contemplated in section 3(3) of the Constitution, it cannot subvert other rights contained in the Constitution and must conform with the Bill of Rights. The right to citizenship is entrenched in the Bill of Rights and, in terms of section 36, cannot be infringed upon or limited without justification. Any active removal of citizenship is on the face an infringement that requires justification in terms of section 36(1) of the Constitution.

The Court then considered whether the defences raised by the respondents were sufficient to justify the limitation under section 36(1) of the Constitution. The Court emphasised that the limitation of the right to citizenship by the impugned provision served no legitimate government purpose. Save for arguing that the state has a right to regulate the acquisition and loss of citizenship, which is what, according to the state, the impugned provision lawfully does, no other legitimate purpose was advanced. The rationale behind the legislation remains unexplained. In the case of the impugned provision, there was no link between the adopted means and a legitimate government purpose. Further, the second defence put forth by the respondents was not a defence at all. The existence of a ministerial power to exercise discretion in terms of section 6(2) to alter what was otherwise an automatic loss of citizenship was no answer to the question of why citizenship must be lost in the first place.
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https://www.concourt.org.za/index.p...inister-of-home-affairs-and-another-cct184-23


The judgement was specifically about automatic losses of citizenship that would happen if you got a 2nd one. The court basically said it the loss cannot be automatic without an active participation from the state.

If they adopted a bill that said that the state can deprive citizenship if the state shows they criticised the the national religion of SA (which is transformationism), they would very well be able to justify it with existing jurisprudence. Deprivation of rights such as water, equality under the law, employment are already law in ZA under section 36(1).
 
They would have to change the constitution and they'd also be in violation of UN conventions, so good luck with that.
 
He argued that the deterioration in relations between Pretoria and Washington is the work of AfriForum, Lex Libertas, the Freedom Front Plus, and Solidariteit.
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Is this bro on Tik or what?! He needs to spring for the higher quality stuff because what ever street corner scratch this bro is sniffing is affecting him cognitively.
 
So...the actual statement was:

He suggested that South Africans or organisations that lobby foreign governments or criticise South Africa abroad are committing treason.
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Kinda important, that part. Usually we call this treason or some shİt and move on.
 
porchrat said:
Good luck with that you maniac.

This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard come out of an ANC official's mouth.
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It's desperation. When they were hitting 60% support it was all good. When their power is under threat, the communists start doing communist things...
 
Vorastra said:
So...the actual statement was:



Kinda important, that part. Usually we call this treason or some shİt and move on.
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That's not treason. Anyone is free to lobby anyone who isn't an enemy of the state. Unless we're saying that the US are our enemies. Even with Trompie in charge, that's a stretch...
 
Vorastra said:
So...the actual statement was:



Kinda important, that part. Usually we call this treason or some shİt and move on.
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You actively ignored the part everyone is having kittens over. Were you joking here or purposefully trying to be dishonest?

Let me highlight the absolutely batschit insane part for you so you don't miss it this time:

He suggested that South Africans or organisations that lobby foreign governments or criticise South Africa abroad are committing treason.
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You should 100% be free to criticise SA, or her government, abroad or otherwise. You have the right to freedom of expression. This ANC idiot can get fscked.

Penalties for criticising a sitting government is a very very dangerous thing.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
That's not treason. Anyone is free to lobby anyone who isn't an enemy of the state. Unless we're saying that the US are our enemies. Even with Trompie in charge, that's a stretch...
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The US is currently putting political pressure, and threatening to sanction South Africa, because the country took Israel to the ICJ...while pretending it's about farm murders.

Economic sanctions are a direct form of hybrid war, especially from the US. They are literally threatening us with it.
 
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