Photos of the new R3.2 billion Afrikaans ‘university’ rising from the ground in Pretoria

It's a privately funded project, so should be compared with other privately funded projects, not government ones.

Compare it to the likes of what ADvTECH does, rather.
 
vigras rojara said:
It's a privately funded project, so should be compared with other privately funded projects, not government ones.

Compare it to the likes of what ADvTECH does, rather.
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I disagree with this one. This shows what can be done if we stop using government funded projects to feed cadres. Lets compare this to the mythical university in Ekurhuleni announced in 2020... It proves where there is a will there is a way. I think government can learn from this and follow the blueprint.
 
karnuffel said:
I disagree with this one. This shows what can be done if we stop using government funded projects to feed cadres. Lets compare this to the mythical university in Ekurhuleni announced in 2020... It proves where there is a will there is a way. I think government can learn from this and follow the blueprint.
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I'm not familiar with the proposed/mythical Erkurhuleni uni - I'll give it a Google.

I'm just not convinced that it's the role of government to build universities that cater to one specific language group, no matter what it is. In this case there was apparently a need in the market place, which private enterprise identified and acted upon, which is how the economy functions anyway. That's why I brought in the ADvTECH comparison.

We should rather bash government for their failure to deliver the basic infrastructure that they're clearly supposed to.
 
vigras rojara said:
I'm not familiar with the proposed/mythical Erkurhuleni uni - I'll give it a Google.

I'm just not convinced that it's the role of government to build universities that cater to one specific language group, no matter what it is. In this case there was apparently a need in the market place, which private enterprise identified and acted upon, which is how the economy functions anyway. That's why I brought in the ADvTECH comparison.

We should rather bash government for their failure to deliver the basic infrastructure that they're clearly supposed to.
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I dont think the government should build something for one group only, that we agree on. But whether its for only one group or not is irrelevant, a uni can be build. Government has unfortunately proven its not very good at building, but they keep on promising.

I think education will be the best way to uplift people. We see a stupid amount of money wasted with NSFAS for example, money that can be used to build, to improve. Not just a university, but why not look at sol-tech as well. Again, an initiative aimed at uplifting and improving.

One of the major issues students face is housing, again why not look at what can be done and use that as an example.

EDIT: To add, this is why I think government is failing spectacularly in this regard:
newsday.co.za

Cyril Ramaphosa tells young South Africans they can register at a university which does not exist

President Cyril Ramaphosa told young people that the new Ekurhuleni University will have its first intake next year. However, this university does not exist.
newsday.co.za newsday.co.za
businesstech.co.za

South Africa’s new university has a name: Oliver Tambo University of Science and Technology

Gauteng premier David Mahkura has unveiled the name of the new South African university planned for Ekurhuleni in east Johannesburg: The Oliver Tambo University of Science and Technology.
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They announced the name in 2020, they expect to start building in 2029 but they tell youngsters to register for next year....
 
vigras rojara said:
I'm not familiar with the proposed/mythical Erkurhuleni uni - I'll give it a Google.

I'm just not convinced that it's the role of government to build universities that cater to one specific language group, no matter what it is. In this case there was apparently a need in the market place, which private enterprise identified and acted upon, which is how the economy functions anyway. That's why I brought in the ADvTECH comparison.

We should rather bash government for their failure to deliver the basic infrastructure that they're clearly supposed to.
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karnuffel said:
I dont think the government should build something for one group only, that we agree on. But whether its for only one group or not is irrelevant, a uni can be build. Government has unfortunately proven its not very good at building, but they keep on promising.

I think education will be the best way to uplift people. We see a stupid amount of money wasted with NSFAS for example, money that can be used to build, to improve. Not just a university, but why not look at sol-tech as well. Again, an initiative aimed at uplifting and improving.

One of the major issues students face is housing, again why not look at what can be done and use that as an example.

EDIT: To add, this is why I think government is failing spectacularly in this regard:
newsday.co.za

Cyril Ramaphosa tells young South Africans they can register at a university which does not exist

President Cyril Ramaphosa told young people that the new Ekurhuleni University will have its first intake next year. However, this university does not exist.
newsday.co.za newsday.co.za
businesstech.co.za

South Africa’s new university has a name: Oliver Tambo University of Science and Technology

Gauteng premier David Mahkura has unveiled the name of the new South African university planned for Ekurhuleni in east Johannesburg: The Oliver Tambo University of Science and Technology.
businesstech.co.za businesstech.co.za

They announced the name in 2020, they expect to start building in 2029 but they tell youngsters to register for next year....
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Thanks, I'll read the links. If there is a sound case for more universities to be built then they should be built, subject to budget availability of course.
 
konfab said:
Why can't the government build like the private sector?
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The private sector can build whatever it feels there is demand for, it doesn't have to justify the use of taxpayers' money.

Government expenditure should also naturally have more checks and balances in place than the private sector. Nothing is stopping a private property developer from using their pet builder/construction company from doing the work, whereas government projects have to go through a tender process etc.

That's just one example.
 
vigras rojara said:
Thanks, I'll read the links. If there is a sound case for more universities to be built then they should be built, subject to budget availability of course.
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I do agree with you. Lets look at NSFAS (:) yes again)
www.timeslive.co.za

Billions lost as 40,000 students are improperly funded

Public protector Kholeka Gcaleka has found major systemic failures in the National Student Financial Aid Scheme (Nsfas), leading to R5.1bn being improperly allocated to more than 40,000 students and causing severe delays and hardships for beneficiaries.
www.timeslive.co.za www.timeslive.co.za
businesstech.co.za

R50 billion failed state fund in South Africa under investigation

The Public Protector says the NSFAS has failed in its mandate, and wants SARS, Treasury and the Higher Education Department to find a solution.
businesstech.co.za businesstech.co.za

The improper funding for these students cost the financial aid scheme R5.1 billion. Due to these findings, the Public Protector sought to conduct a deeper search into the financial aid scheme.
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I agree that NSFAS and the building of infrastructure are two different things, but what the OP shows is what could have been done with the money wasted.

3,2 Billion spent to build a university vs 5.1 Billion wasted (with 2Billion recovered). Thats why I think we need to do these kinds of comparisons. Its our money government is wasting after all.
 
karnuffel said:
I do agree with you. Lets look at NSFAS (:) yes again)
www.timeslive.co.za

Billions lost as 40,000 students are improperly funded

Public protector Kholeka Gcaleka has found major systemic failures in the National Student Financial Aid Scheme (Nsfas), leading to R5.1bn being improperly allocated to more than 40,000 students and causing severe delays and hardships for beneficiaries.
www.timeslive.co.za www.timeslive.co.za
businesstech.co.za

R50 billion failed state fund in South Africa under investigation

The Public Protector says the NSFAS has failed in its mandate, and wants SARS, Treasury and the Higher Education Department to find a solution.
businesstech.co.za businesstech.co.za



I agree that NSFAS and the building of infrastructure are two different things, but what the OP shows is what could have been done with the money wasted.

3,2 Billion spent to build a university vs 5.1 Billion wasted (with 2Billion recovered). Thats why I think we need to do these kinds of comparisons. Its our money government is wasting after all.
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Agreed. I truly believe that the private sector is a more efficient provider of these type of services than government is. And yet there are people on this forum who call me a commie...🤔😂

State funded bursaries could still be awarded anyway, hopefully with better due diligence than is currently the case with NSFAS.
 
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