'Like a missile coming down' - Nine killed in fiery Florida jet crash

NarrowBandFtw said:
multiple reasons:
- what if an investigation reveals there was pilot (and or co-pilot) error or negligence due to said panic? you are assuming it was "certain" death before there even was any investigation ...
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Yes, looking at the angle the plane hit the ground and the speed and corresponding to her comments, certain death when she made her comment is exactly what I am saying. She knew that she was going to die and verbalised, until such time as we get another finding, I would say she was in the best possible position to make an accurate judgement.

NarrowBandFtw said:
- what if the passengers were trying to make peace with their maker or phoning and saying last goodbyes to their loved ones at the same time? you reckon a screaming horror in the background helps? makes no difference?
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Jesus tha't s a f**ing stretch.

NarrowBandFtw said:
- panic undeniably affects reasoning & logic ability, the very last thing you want affected in your pilot
- can probably think of more, but you either get the point or you never will
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Lear Jets require two pilots, one would fly the plane, one would speak to ATC. She did her job till the end, it didn't sound like panic, it sounded like horror and a bleak realisation of what was about to happen to them.
 
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sefeddt said:
Yet in her panic she still had time to clearly communicate with ATC, not once did I hear ATC ask her to repeat what she said as it was unclear.
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we didn't hear the entire conversation, but if that was it I didn't hear anything explaining what went wrong or what the pilots think went wrong, what they've tried in order to correct the situation etc

that is what clear ATC communication means to me: relaying to ATC all the facts and variables
not just clearly articulating that you're nose down and going to die

granted, they were likely furiously trying corrective actions without talking about it, that's entirely as it should be when they follow the Aviate, Navigate, Communicate priority order ... we just don't have enough details to even begin to reach a conclusion
 
Cray said:
Lear Jets require two pilots, one would fly the plane, one would speak to ATC. She did her job till the end,
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errr, co-pilots do a hell of a lot more than just man the radio, they're also the extra pair of hands when too much needs to happen for one person to handle at once, paging through emergency procedure manuals or what have you while the pilot flies and they do in fact take control of the plane when required to e.g. when the captain is incapacitated

no reason to doubt she failed in any of those duties, but you simply don't have enough evidence to confidently claim she did her job till the end

Heisenborg said:
You don't know it all
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and where did I claim to?

Heisenborg said:
You have never been in that situation and you have no idea how you would have reacted
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I'm not a professional pilot, would expect them to react better than I or anyone else who is not a professional pilot would.
 
Press conference releases few new or useful facts:
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NTSB give update on deadly Florida jet crash as reports name 20-year-old as copilot

The business jet was described as like "a missile coming down" when it crashed into a Florida street not far from President Trump's resort.
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An individual near the crash site sustained a leg injury as a result of the crash, Monville tells reporters.

He was in a vehicle near the impacted area, the investigator says, adding that he will be interviewed today.

The debris is scattered among ball fields, business and personal residences in the area. But the debris is rather small.
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Edit: There is no FDR on this aircraft model, only a CVR. So we are unlikely to learn much at all...

Update: The families have been named:
The seven people killed who were travelling as passengers were identified in a joint statement from their families as tech entrepreneur Adam Robinson, his wife Helen Sharp, and their two children - Emma and Charlie - as well as Rachael Reed, Charmi Fehr and Anita Maria Cetina.
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Juan Browne analysis, focusing on icing and storm avoidance, weather radar, loss of control, overspeed and likely structural breakup, plus Learjet 60 accident history:
 
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Wut said:
I was going to say, I love the SR22 but it's not an aircraft I would recommend doing initial training or your first solo in. I did my initial training and solo in a Piper Arrow, which already was a nightmare because of the variable pitch prop and retractable landing gear. I then did my later training on a Cherokee 180 which was a breeze in comparison and would have been my first choice to train and solo on if I could have started over.
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No way I would have done my PPL in the Cirrus. That thing is as smooth as silk and can't shed speed for shiit. You gotta know what you're doing flying that thing. The avionics were sweet AF. Can only imagine what the latest generations offer.

The Cherokee was like driving an old POS brick-body manual Hilux bakkie. You can work out a sweat just flying the thing. But amazingly fun to fly.
 

Everything We Know About The LearJet Crash - Captains Speaking - The Mentour Pilot Podcast​

It's with great sadness we learned of yesterdays terrible accident in Florida. Ben and I wanted to put together a short video, debunking some speculation out there, as well as explaining some common factors that have led to similar accidents in the past.

At the moment, we know way too little to speculate on what exactly caused this tragedy, but we will follow this up with more info, as soon as we have it.
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Learjet Crash: Missing "Tail Wing"? Copilot Revealed - jeffostroff​

In this update, the co-pilot is revealed to be a young 20-year-old woman who acquired her pilot's license at age 20. Also, analysis of dash cam still photos reveals the Learjet 60 tail wings, known as horizontal stabilizers, might have disintegrated from the plane before it crashed onto Military Trail in West Palm Beach, Fl on November 1, 2026.

On Sunday afternoon at 12:51 PM, November 1, 2026, an aviation tragedy unfolded in South Florida when a Learjet 60 business jet nose-dived directly into a busy Military Trail near 10 Ave North, in Greenacres, near West Palm Beach, FL. The aircraft erupted into a massive fireball upon impact at the intersection, killing all nine people on board.

The private flight (N722BD) departed from Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS) in Texas at 10:37 AM CST and was on a holiday transit to North Eleuthera Airport (ELH) in the Bahamas. While cruising at 41,000 feet, the aircraft descended to 35,000 feet near Naples to avoid severe turbulence.

Moments later, the flight path intersected a violent, moisture-heavy thunderstorm cell. In a chilling final transmission to Air Traffic Control, the pilot reported an outside air temperature of -47°C, stating they were managing structural icing but had just encountered a dense wave of sudden precipitation.

The crew requested an emergency climb to 37,000 feet to escape the weather trap, but the aircraft struggled upward only 450 feet before suffering a complete, catastrophic aerodynamic stall. The jet violently rolled into a 60-degree bank, dropping out of the sky in a near-vertical plunge with terminal descent rates exceeding 32,000 feet per minute.
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Understanding the Learjet Crash in Palm Beach | Captain Steeeve​

On November 1, 2026, a Learjet 60 crashed near Palm Beach, Florida, tragically claiming the lives of all nine people on board. The crew reported encountering icing and turbulence before the aircraft entered a rapid descent.

Drawing on his decades of experience as an airline captain and Naval aviator, Steeeve offers his perspective on the aviation factors involved and the questions investigators will be working to answer.

We recognize that this is an incredibly sensitive tragedy, particularly for the families, friends, and loved ones of those who lost their lives. Our intention in covering this incident is not to sensationalize what happened, but to encourage a thoughtful, respectful understanding of the events and the lessons that may eventually emerge.

The NTSB investigation remains ongoing, and no official cause has been determined. Any discussion of possible contributing factors should not be interpreted as a conclusion about what caused this accident.
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The Learjet Plane Crash Was Worse Than We Thought! - Pilot Debrief​

A Learjet 60 bound for the Bahamas was cruising at 35,000 feet off the Florida coast when it ran into a huge area of heavy storms. The crew reported ice and moderate turbulence and asked to climb. Less than two minutes later they declared a mayday, and the jet went into a steep dive and hit the ground at about 12:49 PM.
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Still wondering what happened. Precipitation at 35000 ft while already having icing could have either caused a severe stall when attempting to climb or/and loss of control surfaces.
 
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