Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse

[konfab]

I think he is a rapist, therefore he deserves to be in jail. Some poeple think he is innocent and shouldn't be in jail - although I disagree I can support the idea that an innocent person shouldn't be in jail.

It's f***ing twisted morality that you think he didn't commit rape but you are happy that he is going to jail because he doesn't behave the way you would like.

Under the strict legal definition of beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know if there is enough evidence for him to be convicted as a rapist given the behaviour of all parties involved.

Remember if you are allowed to look at his prior behaviour to the event in question, you can look at the victims as well. And theirs is just as bad as his. If a celebrity with a proven track record of womanising asks a fan to their dressing room, it is plainly obvious to any adult what is going on. And they consented to prior acts. Which makes a highly reasonable way to create doubt that it was rape.

The sexual assault stuff done in front of other people obviously means he is guilty, and it is good they found him guilty on those.

But I cannot use those incidents to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he is guilty of the rape.


Think about it like this. If you cannot throw a mobster in prison based on the murders you think they did, but you can throw them in prison on tax evasion, you are pretty happy they are in prison anyway.

 

[Zellephant]

As a father of boys and girls, cases like this worry me a lot.

What sort of message do cases like this put out to young people? It teaches young women they are less responsible for their actions than what men are.

And it teaches boys they are 100% responsible for both their actions, and for a large part of the actions of a girl they may be interested in.

I recall 25 years ago already having very serious conversations with my parents about the importance of consent and how easy it is as a boy to get yourself into serious trouble.

But these days, it’s seems as if a guy will need to get signed proof of consent in triplicate, in advance, before he even thinks about trying to kiss a girl.

These were all grown ups who knew exactly what they were getting into to beforehand. Everyone knew Russel Brand was a hyper sexualised guy, and his womanising was no secret. These girls knew exactly what they were opening themselves too - yet their actions, their self induced levels of intoxication, their drug use etc etc etc is all overlooked, as the consensus is the man is responsible, the girl is the victim, always. Girls can behave in scandalous ways, and as long as they regret what happened the next day, it’s automatically considered rape. This is not a healthy way to look at these things.

 

[ForceFate]

Does the woman have any agency for her choices and her behavior?

What behaviour?

She is a sexual deviant herself. She went into his backstage dressing room, she went to his house for sex.

Do you imagine the woman as a poor innocent child that had no choice in the matter and was forced to do it at gunpoint?

She was invited.

I find it really interesting that you guys have this view that woman cannot have sexual desires as if you have never met a woman that desired you.

They do.

Woman can be really persistent.

Men can be persistant to. Stick to your guns and run as far away as possible.

 

[ArmatageShanks]

Maybe he a really disappointing penis, which is why these girls turned on him

 

[konfab]

As a father of boys and girls, cases like this worry me a lot.

What sort of message do cases like this put out to young people? It teaches young women they are less responsible for their actions than what men are.

And it teaches boys they are 100% responsible for both their actions, and for a large part of the actions of a girl they may be interested in.

I recall 25 years ago already having very serious conversations with my parents about the importance of consent and how easy it is as a boy to get yourself into serious trouble.

But these days, it’s seems as if a guy will need to get signed proof of consent in triplicate, in advance, before he even thinks about trying to kiss a girl.

These were all grown ups who knew exactly what they were getting into to beforehand. Everyone knew Russel Brand was a hyper sexualised guy, and his womanising was no secret. These girls knew exactly what they were opening themselves too - yet their actions, their self induced levels of intoxication, their drug use etc etc etc is all overlooked, as the consensus is the man is responsible, the girl is the victim, always. Girls can behave in scandalous ways, and as long as they regret what happened the next day, it’s automatically considered rape. This is not a healthy way to look at these things.

I am 100% fine with the message this case sends out. No-one should be protected from the consequences of bad behaviour.

Even if you exclude all the nonsense about this case, in terms of consent, laws etc. It is an objectively bad thing for both men and woman to get involved in casual sex relationships. Risk of unwanted kids, diseases, infinite drama, increasing chances of divorce, step parents, blended families.

 

[Vorastra]

One thing I do like about this is that it seems like Brand has seemingly zero friends on either side. I've seen leftoids and rightoids shïtting on him.

The left because he turned on them, and the right because he used to be a leftist and is seen as disingenuous.

 

[Zellephant]

I am 100% fine with the message this case sends out. No-one should be protected from the consequences of bad behaviour.

Even if you exclude all the nonsense about this case, in terms of consent, laws etc. It is an objectively bad thing for both men and woman to get involved in casual sex relationships. Risk of unwanted kids, diseases, infinite drama, increasing chances of divorce, step parents, blended families.

Okay… but in this judgement, it seems only the actions of the man are taking into account. The females involved seem to be given a free pass for their active participation

 

[satanboy]

So many rapist apologists.

 

[vigras rojara]

Brand fans, just pretend that he's a migrant who arrived on a small boat. You will then feel that whatever punishment he receives is way too lenient and that the women involved were indeed innocent and pure of thought, mind and spirit. No Jimmies would need to be "Russell'd" at all.

 

[notayoba]

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[AlmightyBender]

Okay… but in this judgement, it seems only the actions of the man are taking into account. The females involved seem to be given a free pass for their active participation

It only seems that way to you Taun because you are who you are. You clearly know nothing of the circumstances of this case and these women but just came here to project your own values. You give your own rapist tendencies, views and beliefs away in doing this.

Rape is rape and this man raped these women. This is now fact beyond allegation.

You are beyond sick. Just like all the other usual suspects here.

 

[Vorastra]

Brand fans, just pretend that he's a migrant who arrived on a small boat. You will then feel that whatever punishment he receives is way too lenient and that the women involved were indeed innocent and pure of thought, mind and spirit. No Jimmies would need to be "Russell'd" at all.

Send him back to the Congo

 

[RedViking]

How much money do those who got hurt get out of it?

 

[vigras rojara]

How much money do those who got hurt get out of it?

Nothing, as it was a criminal trial.

 

[RedViking]

Nothing, as it was a criminal trial.

Well then people should take it seriously as it is embarrassing and they not getting anything out of it. So why would they lie. These court cases must also be emotionally and physically tired. Just thinking out "loud" after reading many comments. Either way, the guy is gross. Yuck. What filthy human being.

 

[TheMightyQuin]

I think he is a rapist, therefore he deserves to be in jail. Some poeple think he is innocent and shouldn't be in jail - although I disagree I can support the idea that an innocent person shouldn't be in jail.

It's f***ing twisted morality that you think he didn't commit rape but you are happy that he is going to jail because he doesn't behave the way you would like.

And this is ACTUALLY what fascism is...

Well put by the way.

 

[TheMightyQuin]

So many rapist apologists.

Oh dear...going for the top 5 white knight comments of the year award?

 

[RedViking]

That why there is a legal system to decide and not just people with feelings.

Problem is people have lost faith in the system.

Also social media has given everyone a voice and everyone is now a self proclaimed expert.

 

[TheMightyQuin]

Well then people should take it seriously as it is embarrassing and they not getting anything out of it. So why would they lie. These court cases must also be emotionally and physically tired. Just thinking out "loud" after reading many comments. Either way, the guy is gross. Yuck. What filthy human being.

So ...rapist or not. He's a dick and should go to jail?

I think he is a massive twat myself...but I don't think that warrants him being made out to be a rapist 24 years after the fact.

He was convicted in the press, based on a massive campaign by Rosamund Irwin. She's apparently an expert in convincing people of things that happened to them.

 

[Cray]

That why there is a legal system to decide and not just people with feelings.

Problem is people have lost faith in the system.

Which legal system have the MyBB experts lost faith in, SA, US, British, or all of the above?