FREE ENERGY

[guest2013-1]

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[dam]

One test I always do on these "free" energy reports, is run the whole text thru a spell and grammar check, a fail there, is one sure sign of a fail in the claims.

Yeah, there are a lot of hoaxes and con artists out there. A better method of calling them out is to actually see if they are asking for money, if they are then they are cons.

I am just as skeptical as the next guy when it comes to this kind of stuff and the only reason I got interested in the Bedini motor was because he was not asking for money, he was not making any claims of 'free energy' (in fact he himself says there is no such thing) and he had freely distributed the plans for his motor all over the internet, encouraging people to build one.

 

[dam]

weird, I had no clue into getting info how to build it, but if true then I need some diagrams, hahah, I'm kinda a half half electronic engineer. I only did it to N3

why isn't this stuff on the net with diagrams that you can build your self

You should have no problems then, I have zero previous experience with electronics and managed to build mine. The fascinating thing about the Bedini motor is that it is a mono pole motor, all the magnets face north and the transistor is actually triggered by the magnet approaching the coil. So its self triggering from the dynamo affect. So clever and yet so simple.

 

[D-Boy]

Nice dam. I have yet to build my own.

D-Boy there are plenty of sites on the Bedini motor. Also newsgroups, which might be the best place to start.

No the idea is not to place a load on the axle, but rather to use the rotation and the energy retaining effect, which is unique to the Bedini motor, to basically let the wheel run on very little energy where the voltage spikes are then used to charge batteries or extract hydrogen.

Many people have measured overunity routinely with the Bedini motor. The problem is that even though energy may be available like a waterfall at any point in space, it isn't really free. Extracting free energy is a costly process, and it is not nearly efficient enough.

oh, you want to make it run, but don't want to give it a load, that is plausible, you want to extract hydrogen, lmfao, that's a big load, hydrogen doesn't get extracted by its self


yea I know the Bedini motor, I Have a couple of diagrams of the circuit, but I'm talking about the cold energy/electricity

I have studied the Bedini motor, and think it might not be worth building it for the purpose to generate electricity

 

[Catal]

No I mean that the axle should not be loaded, but the electrical spikes can be used to extract hydrogen.

Yes the Bedini motor is not the best answer to generate cold electricity.

 

[fritzdeelman]

Can we now rewrite laws of thermodynamics?

 

[D-Boy]

dunno

 

[dam]

Can we now rewrite laws of thermodynamics?

Well the laws of thermodynamics only apply to systems that are in equilibrium and closed systems. It proves that perpetual motion is impossible and rightly so, but free energy could be obtained without breaking any laws if it is achieved on a subatomic level.

Particle physics has already proven that electrons emit photons infinitely in all directions, when one dies it is replaced by another. So there is potentially infinite energy right there, problem is how to collect it and use it. I believe in time we will discover efficient ways to extract it, the Bedini motor is a good start but better methods will be discovered over time.

But like I said I'm a skeptic too, I just like to keep an open mind so that I don't like an idiot when we do actually discover free energy

 

[fritzdeelman]

Well the laws of thermodynamics only apply to systems that are in equilibrium and closed systems. It proves that perpetual motion is impossible and rightly so, but free energy could be obtained without breaking any laws if it is achieved on a subatomic level.

Particle physics has already proven that electrons emit photons infinitely in all directions, when one dies it is replaced by another. So there is potentially infinite energy right there, problem is how to collect it and use it. I believe in time we will discover efficient ways to extract it, the Bedini motor is a good start but better methods will be discovered over time.

But like I said I'm a skeptic too, I just like to keep an open mind so that I don't like an idiot when we do actually discover free energy

The bit about electrons emitting photons in all directions seems a bit odd? Surely the emission of photons corresponds to a reduction in an electrons energy level?

 

[dam]

The bit about electrons emitting photons in all directions seems a bit odd? Surely the emission of photons corresponds to a reduction in an electrons energy level?

I am no scientist so I can't say that I know exactly what's happening but from what I understand electrons that are 3-4 billion years old are still emitting energy. That is quite a long time.

I wish I could find the source but I remember reading somewhere that one square inch of space contains enough energy to boil all the oceans on our planet. If that is the case then we just need to find ways to tap into that energy, but that could take us a while to figure out. I would guess that maybe in 50 to 80 years time we will have the right technology to do it but until then we will need to pay for energy

 

[D-Boy]

we will need to pay for energy

hahahaha

 

[Catal]

Everywhere there are perpetual motion machines, i.e. all of the atoms in the universe. The electrons spin around the nucleus indefinitely.

You might not see it, and you might not be able to use it right now, but free energy abounds.

 

[fritzdeelman]

I am no scientist so I can't say that I know exactly what's happening but from what I understand electrons that are 3-4 billion years old are still emitting energy. That is quite a long time.

I wish I could find the source but I remember reading somewhere that one square inch of space contains enough energy to boil all the oceans on our planet. If that is the case then we just need to find ways to tap into that energy, but that could take us a while to figure out. I would guess that maybe in 50 to 80 years time we will have the right technology to do it but until then we will need to pay for energy

Just imagine the bombs we could make if we could tap into that!!!

 

[Pyro]

"The electrons spin around the nucleus indefinitely".

Yes that's the whole energy state bit they teach you in chemistry. You have certain levels. To get an electron into a higher energy level requires a certain amount of energy, and getting it into a lower energy level releases a certain amount of energy.

Nothing new there... That's how converting water to Hydrogen and Oxygen works as well. Smack in enough energy to break the bonds, and you make a chemical change that could potentially be reversed to give the same amount of energy back.

Heck, burning petrol works the same, setting the whole thing in motion just works differently. End result is pretty much the same though. You get heat, which is energy.

I'm pretty sure all that should be gleaned from high-school chemistry.

I don't think the age of that photon-emitting electron has anything to do with its energy state. If you take a 3 zillion year old rock, and lift it above the ground it suddenly has new potential energy stored. The electron might have been released from it's atomic bind 3 milliseconds ago, and is now bleeding off excess energy on it's 3 billion year mission to go where no electron has gone before...

 

[andres101]

Does it actually works?

And then you add a load onto the axle like a alternator, will it k*k?

Yes, it does work.

A friend of a friend of a friend (repeated indefinitely) built a SSG (bedini) motor and is using one battery to charge four, while doing some work (driving a fan). when the voltage on the battery starts to drop, it is swapped with one in the 'charged' batch. the setup has been running for weeks without any external power source.

You can power something like an alternator, but the monopole motor has very little torque. Also, an alternator is a inefficient charger (compared to a radiant energy charger) as it uses current to charge the batteries... why bother? The radiant energy charger does not generate any heat in the batteries when they are being charged.

No the idea is not to place a load on the axle, but rather to use the rotation and the energy retaining effect, which is unique to the Bedini motor, to basically let the wheel run on very little energy where the voltage spikes are then used to charge batteries or extract hydrogen.

Apparently it is not the spike that charges the battery, but the radiant energy that precedes/follows it. because we do not have equipment to measure radiant energy, people tend to believe it is the spike.

One test I always do on these "free" energy reports, is run the whole text thru a spell and grammar check, a fail there, is one sure sign of a fail in the claims.

This was obviously a joke, right? If your theory is applied to your post, you cannot be taken seriously

There is a yahoo group with much more information. One of the first resources I found and bookmarked was this: http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html

EDIT: Yahoo Group.

EDIT(2): I think the reason John Bedini has not commercialised this device (other than http://r-charge.com/), is because he fears for his life. Apparently many people have disappeared short periods before making details of their research public, or have had their devices stolen and/or vandalised. I do not wish to speculate on who was responsible for this, but I do believe that some people have lots to loose if energy was free.

 

[dam]

...A friend of a friend of a friend (repeated indefinitely) built a SSG (bedini) motor and is using one battery to charge four, while doing some work (driving a fan). when the voltage on the battery starts to drop, it is swapped with one in the 'charged' batch. the setup has been running for weeks without any external power source....

Nice, I am hoping to try that soon. I just need to find a way to measure everything to make it more scientific, that way I can prove whether it works or not (because I am still skeptical myself).

 

[andres101]

the only way to measure the energy going in is by measuring the amount of work the batteries are able to perform.

i am not interested in proving whether it works or not to anyone other than myself.

an interesting video is 'energy from the vacuum', that is if you have access to a p2p application and some bandwidth to spare.

 

[dam]

the only way to measure the energy going in is by measuring the amount of work the batteries are able to perform.

i am not interested in proving whether it works or not to anyone other than myself.

an interesting video is 'energy from the vacuum', that is if you have access to a p2p application and some bandwidth to spare.

Yeah, that video convinced me to at least try building the motor.

I'm thinking of ordering a computerized battery analyzer that can measure work in and out. Also makes it easy to save all the data and see it (or print it) in graph form.