Job options once CCNA complete.

Agreed Tau1z ...I need to get into a hands on technical role however after 2 months of trying to achieve this to no avail ...I have decided to go to0kenZA`s opinion
and finish the CCNP first and just concentrate on that...then I will try yours of getting into a hands on roll...as the R6000 - R8000 bracket would be a upgrade for me...
Hopefully all will pan out..thx guys

I disagree, doing the ccnp without having any experience is no good.
Some see the certs as just that, certs to try get better jobs.

There is actually a ton of value you can get out of studying, if you are studying for knowledge and not just to pass. There is simply no way you will get the benefits unless you are working in that kind of environment.

Make the move now into a tech role. You should be able to get 6 - 8k, and can then start the hands on stuff. I hate to say this, but the ccnp is not going to help much.
I would be very very wary of a ccnp who is not in a technical job and never has been.
 
I disagree, doing the ccnp without having any experience is no good.
Some see the certs as just that, certs to try get better jobs.

There is actually a ton of value you can get out of studying, if you are studying for knowledge and not just to pass. There is simply no way you will get the benefits unless you are working in that kind of environment.

Make the move now into a tech role. You should be able to get 6 - 8k, and can then start the hands on stuff. I hate to say this, but the ccnp is not going to help much.
I would be very very wary of a ccnp who is not in a technical job and never has been.

The CCNP helped me a lot dude. Especially when it comes to more advances stuff, like ISP backends, routing, understanding the setup (IS-IS and BGP) and also OSPF and MPLS. When you have that knowledge and you start working in the field, it all comes to you very quickly. I supposed you can catch up quickly with the CCNA too, but the CCNP just gave me so much more insight. It's always better to have more than too little.

I'm specializing more in Juniper now though.
 
The CCNP helped me a lot dude. Especially when it comes to more advances stuff, like ISP backends, routing, understanding the setup (IS-IS and BGP) and also OSPF and MPLS. When you have that knowledge and you start working in the field, it all comes to you very quickly. I supposed you can catch up quickly with the CCNA too, but the CCNP just gave me so much more insight. It's always better to have more than too little.

I'm specializing more in Juniper now though.

I am not saying it does not help, merely that you would gleam more benefit from the course if you were in the field.

I reckon if you re-read the books, now that you have been in the field etc, you will realise how much you missed.

My point is this, using these certs to try get better jobs etc is all very well, but it should be seen as something more. And to get the most out of it, you should be in a good technical standing.
 
I am not saying it does not help, merely that you would gleam more benefit from the course if you were in the field.

I reckon if you re-read the books, now that you have been in the field etc, you will realise how much you missed.

My point is this, using these certs to try get better jobs etc is all very well, but it should be seen as something more. And to get the most out of it, you should be in a good technical standing.

Yup, with that said, networking isn't a career for everyone.. Sometimes it's like hell :D

But anyhow, all I can say it that if you want to get into networking, the absolute best exposure is to try and get a job with an ISP. If you are doing a small, medium or even large business' network, you're going to get bored. Fast. And you will hate life. Working for an ISP is cool because you get your hands on new solutions all the time. It's a bit more dynamic and you get to learn and gain experience in all levels of networking. From the interconnects, to the ISP backend, all the way up to CPE solutions.
 
Yup, with that said, networking isn't a career for everyone.. Sometimes it's like hell :D

Jip I did a firmware upgrade on a server NIC last night that brought down the whole server. So I've been working since 6 this morning to get it stable and I'm was scheduled to be somewhere else at 8.

So yes I'm having a hell of a day.
 
Jip I did a firmware upgrade on a server NIC last night that brought down the whole server. So I've been working since 6 this morning to get it stable and I'm was scheduled to be somewhere else at 8.

So yes I'm having a hell of a day.

Things NEVER go according to plan -_-.
 
Strangely enough I work as a technical support advisor on the HP campaign...think the low salary has much to
do cause I am based in Cape Town...also previously worked as a NOC at a voip company...The reason
why I am going to complete the CCNP and takie to0kenZA`s advise is because I have allready started the CCNP course
so I would like to complete the course while I have the oppertunity at present to concentrate on it...Ideally I would
like to earn R10K a month however I have realised that I am going after the Cisco certs as it has become more of a
hobby.I follow a routine everyday which consist of work then after work I sit with Cisco related things at minimum
2 hours a night...Then over the weekends I feel bad if I dont open the books ..so I guess some people build model planes
and in a similar way I have found a liking in all this cisco stuff... I figured this out after not being able to get a
a cisco related job after I have been actively looking for 2 months...As despite being unable to find hand on post I
still continued my CCNP studies as this is what happened...
I passed the CCNA got home and was like heck i am bored out of my mind ..I could not stand not having anything to do..
I missed my daily CCNA sessions...In fact I started my CCNP still with daily sessions while I was on annual leave
...So I do it for the fun and knowledge with hopes that it can get me a non call center related job.
 
Strangely enough I work as a technical support advisor on the HP campaign...think the low salary has much to
do cause I am based in Cape Town...also previously worked as a NOC at a voip company...The reason
why I am going to complete the CCNP and takie to0kenZA`s advise is because I have allready started the CCNP course
so I would like to complete the course while I have the oppertunity at present to concentrate on it...Ideally I would
like to earn R10K a month however I have realised that I am going after the Cisco certs as it has become more of a
hobby.I follow a routine everyday which consist of work then after work I sit with Cisco related things at minimum
2 hours a night...Then over the weekends I feel bad if I dont open the books ..so I guess some people build model planes
and in a similar way I have found a liking in all this cisco stuff... I figured this out after not being able to get a
a cisco related job after I have been actively looking for 2 months...As despite being unable to find hand on post I
still continued my CCNP studies as this is what happened...
I passed the CCNA got home and was like heck i am bored out of my mind ..I could not stand not having anything to do..
I missed my daily CCNA sessions...In fact I started my CCNP still with daily sessions while I was on annual leave
...So I do it for the fun and knowledge with hopes that it can get me a non call center related job.

My advice would be to just get any other IT job. I would rather hire a guy who's doing desktop support with no qualifications, than hiring a guy who's working in a call centre with a qualification.

Once again I think the problem is that people think they're too good to do something like desktop support, especially when they have a qualification.
 
Interesting conversation here. I am in a different kind of boat.

I knew back in school that I really like to work with pcs, but more so with networks. My dad however didn't believe in certifications and would only pay for University but not the usual certifications. So I ended up doing a B.IS degree (3 years only). Starting out wasn't easy, but I got a call center job at a small ISP in CT, completely by mistake that it is in CT since my whole life I've been in Pretoria.

To make the story short, some stuff happened 2 months into working here, and a bunch of Linux Admins left and I ended up with a lucky break into that. Got bored with it real quick sadly, but I did fix A LOT of things a long the way, so much so that I didn't need to look after it anymore. I also trained up a few people so they took over all that work completely. Now in the last couple of months I managed to work myself into the Network department, and I use the word "department" very loosely because they don't really have a proper functional department. It consists of a manager, who well manage, and 2 guys, 1 me and the other 1 that well just sits on his arse doing nothing but cost the company money.

Soon they will make my official title "Standard Network Engineer". So luckily I am skipping most of the junior crap, but what I really want is the "Senior" title. Considering they don't have a Senior guy I don't see the problem, except they expect one to have a CCIE. I don't even have a CCNA, yet I work with BGP, OSPF, all kinds of load balancing, min-maxing used capacity on all links everywhere (shaping, QoS, multiple routes, peering ect) and soon we will have to add MPLS traffic engineering on top of that to have a shot at unequal cost load balancing to make use of routes over difference sized links (eg. STM1 vs STM4) and make use of them at the same time. Basically I have now 2 years of experience, not working on basic switches but high end switches (actually routers but hey that is what Cisco call them), I am also highly technical.

In the evenings when I get home, I am so tired that I don't even bother doing anything work/study related. I don't have a problem feeling like that, I love working with Ciscos (working on 6500(sup720)/3500s mostly) and is what I see myself doing in the short foreseeable future (next 5-10 years at least). It is just that requirement to have CCIE to move to the next level where for obvious reasons I will be able to get a even higher salary ect. Worse, to even get my CCIE I would have to go via the CCNA then CCNP ect route.

Out of interest sake, we have very little downtime, almost never while doing configuration changes on our network. The only outages we ever have is when upstream providers make mistakes or have redundancy failures ect. Luckily this will improve in the future once we can take that into our own hands, but I do believe one can do perfect work with the right planning and having a fall-back plan in case things go wrong. This does mean however that at times I work for an hour after midnight or early weekend mornings.

A tiny bit of a dilemma, but hey I guess I have a okish paying job that I like doing.
 
Interesting conversation here. I am in a different kind of boat.

I knew back in school that I really like to work with pcs, but more so with networks. My dad however didn't believe in certifications and would only pay for University but not the usual certifications. So I ended up doing a B.IS degree (3 years only). Starting out wasn't easy, but I got a call center job at a small ISP in CT, completely by mistake that it is in CT since my whole life I've been in Pretoria.

To make the story short, some stuff happened 2 months into working here, and a bunch of Linux Admins left and I ended up with a lucky break into that. Got bored with it real quick sadly, but I did fix A LOT of things a long the way, so much so that I didn't need to look after it anymore. I also trained up a few people so they took over all that work completely. Now in the last couple of months I managed to work myself into the Network department, and I use the word "department" very loosely because they don't really have a proper functional department. It consists of a manager, who well manage, and 2 guys, 1 me and the other 1 that well just sits on his arse doing nothing but cost the company money.

Soon they will make my official title "Standard Network Engineer". So luckily I am skipping most of the junior crap, but what I really want is the "Senior" title. Considering they don't have a Senior guy I don't see the problem, except they expect one to have a CCIE. I don't even have a CCNA, yet I work with BGP, OSPF, all kinds of load balancing, min-maxing used capacity on all links everywhere (shaping, QoS, multiple routes, peering ect) and soon we will have to add MPLS traffic engineering on top of that to have a shot at unequal cost load balancing to make use of routes over difference sized links (eg. STM1 vs STM4) and make use of them at the same time. Basically I have now 2 years of experience, not working on basic switches but high end switches (actually routers but hey that is what Cisco call them), I am also highly technical.

In the evenings when I get home, I am so tired that I don't even bother doing anything work/study related. I don't have a problem feeling like that, I love working with Ciscos (working on 6500(sup720)/3500s mostly) and is what I see myself doing in the short foreseeable future (next 5-10 years at least). It is just that requirement to have CCIE to move to the next level where for obvious reasons I will be able to get a even higher salary ect. Worse, to even get my CCIE I would have to go via the CCNA then CCNP ect route.

Out of interest sake, we have very little downtime, almost never while doing configuration changes on our network. The only outages we ever have is when upstream providers make mistakes or have redundancy failures ect. Luckily this will improve in the future once we can take that into our own hands, but I do believe one can do perfect work with the right planning and having a fall-back plan in case things go wrong. This does mean however that at times I work for an hour after midnight or early weekend mornings.

A tiny bit of a dilemma, but hey I guess I have a okish paying job that I like doing.

very long post where you basically say you are the man
Anyways, some good news, you dont need to do anything for your CCIE.
There are no pre-requisites.

You can book your written and do your lab right now.
Get your company to pay for the bootcamp in the states. It is invaluable
 
tau1z said:
very long post where you basically say you are the man
Not exactly the message I wanted to bring across, then again thats what make people interesting, they always re-act the way you don't want them to.

The message I wanted to bring across, there are different ways you can get into a job, sometimes when you least expect it, and sometimes a little bit of luck. I think I work my ass off for a reason...

tau1z said:
Anyways, some good news, you dont need to do anything for your CCIE.
There are no pre-requisites.
You can book your written and do your lab right now.
Get your company to pay for the bootcamp in the states. It is invaluable
Really? If so this would be good news, I will still have to study but it will be more interesting than going over layer2 and basic routing again. Most people that I talk with all say one has to take the CCNA->CCNP->CCIE route. Is this just some story that spread and everyone believe that is the way to go?
 
Really? If so this would be good news, I will still have to study but it will be more interesting than going over layer2 and basic routing again. Most people that I talk with all say one has to take the CCNA->CCNP->CCIE route. Is this just some story that spread and everyone believe that is the way to go?

yes really. link gives the information.

However, in preparation for the exam/lab, you would likely be going through the materials or at least ideas that are covered in CCNA-CCNP, so you might as well write them
 
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