Neanderthals, Humans Interbred—First Solid DNA Evidence

killadoob said:
So it is very possible now we may not have evolved but simply interbred?

Surely this shakes the foundation quite a lot. Where are those heavy evolutionists that seem way more clued up than me?

Pitbull so it's possible we are just interbred and have not evolved or what?
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Hybridization is an evolutionary driver/mechanism.
 
killadoob said:
Didn't the neanderthal come from an ape? I mean they keep finding ape remains that are considered to be early humans and not apes.

You could ask the same about all the creatures on this planet, where did the polar bear come from? What Did the big five look like before they were the big five?
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The DSTV documentary channels have showed that a buh-million times. There's an especially good series on BBC knowledge called "Walking With..." Mammoths, sabre-tooth, etc
 
Pitbull said:
My concern is that the original Humans (Homo sapiens) and Neanderthals must have died out then. As a 1/4 of our DNA says we are then decendents from that Drunk caveman who knocked up that Neanderthall woman ;) Which means that night of passion helped us to survive what ever took out the others. Kinda interresting.
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Read part of this article yday on dailytech which has more on this story. Apparently our mtDNA is largely divergent from the neanderthal's, implying they mated with/raped our females. Could be a reason as to their extinction. So alas (or hooray, ur pick), beer goggles dont always work;)
 
Pitbull said:
From my understanding the whole idea behind ToE is the gradual changes that takes place over a prolonged time frame. Where interbreeding is forced changes in a very short time frame. Well that is my understanding anyway.
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No, there are a number of mechanisms and processes behind evolution: adaptation, genetic drift, gene flow, mutation, and natural selection.
 
Evolution and interbreeding is used too loose in this thread.
The Evolution happened over a period of millions of years! The missing link they are looking for is probably 2-3 million years ago!
This interbreeding was a mere 60 000 years ago... On the same time scale it makes little difference if the interbreeding happened in our generation compared to evolutionary changes that happened 3 million years ago ;)

What I do find interesting though is that Africans don't have the same 4% Neanderthal DNA in them...
 
werries2 said:
Evolution and interbreeding is used too loose in this thread.
The Evolution happened over a period of millions of years! The missing link they are looking for is probably 2-3 million years ago!
This interbreeding was a mere 60 000 years ago... On the same time scale it makes little difference if the interbreeding happened in our generation compared to evolutionary changes that happened 3 million years ago ;)

What I do find interesting though is that Africans don't have the same 4% Neanderthal DNA in them...
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Do you think there is still a missing link?
I am starting to understand that there are just transitional stages in envolution and no one single stage that could be described as the "missing link".
 
Kage said:
Do you think there is still a missing link?
I am starting to understand that there are just transitional stages in envolution and no one single stage that could be described as the "missing link".
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There isn't really such a thing. Transitional fossils have been found repeatedly since the phrase 'missing link' was coined.
 
have they ever found a cave where there are a lot of scribbling going on on the walls. I mean you either have nothing in a cave or some fantastic looking artwork and nothing in between it's almost like overnight these people starting drawing pictures.
 
waynegohl said:
have they ever found a cave where there are a lot of scribbling going on on the walls. I mean you either have nothing in a cave or some fantastic looking artwork and nothing in between it's almost like overnight these people starting drawing pictures.
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As far as I know, yes; some cave paintings are very crude, by our standards.

But think about it: which ones are the ones likely to survive? They're the ones that the cave dwellers left on the walls because they were of better quality. The not-so-good stuff would have been erased and re-done, most likely.
 
Claymore said:
As far as I know, yes; some cave paintings are very crude, by our standards.

But think about it: which ones are the ones likely to survive? They're the ones that the cave dwellers left on the walls because they were of better quality. The not-so-good stuff would have been erased and re-done, most likely.
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good point.
 
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Jola said:
I don't believe that it changes anything, even this interbreeding is very recent (60 000 years).

Probably some oke had too much too drink one Friday evening, and met this cool Neanderthal chick while walking to his cave ....

You know, something like in this Avatar movie ...
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The two groups are not known for having socially settled down together, it probably happened through skirmishes.

It is far more likely that the passing on of genes between modern humans and neanderthals happened through rape.

Small groups perhaps ending up in the same territory and having territorial skirmishes. Modern humans and Neanderthals overlapped for 30 000 years - 50 000 years (that's a long time) in Europe and western Asia.

Of course, it is possible that an amiable passing of genes took place in isolated cases.

I'm not sure though whether anthropologists have found the remains of modern humans and neanderthal remains in the same place together which would indicate such an amiable co-mingling.
 
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