The Unofficial Windows 11 Hardware Compatibility Thread

so what will break if i enable secure boot now?
i am also dual booting linux
 
Asha'man X said:
Honestly, just getting all laptops onto SSD's would change the lives of so many people. I've worked with so many laptops that are a couple of years old that have decent enough specs but run slower than a snail buried in concrete thanks to the mechanical drive in them. Even a 250GB SATA SSD puts the turbo into these devices and totally gives them a new lease on life.

On the home side of things, the best method has been semi large SSD for boot and applications and a mechanical drive for bulk storage etc. This should continue to be the best approach until SSD prices for the larger disks continue to decrease.
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yes.... but laptops in general have gotten freakishly expensive.... larger SSD drives only add up the price.... which is why people still buy laptops without SSD's.
 
Asha'man X said:
If history is anything to go by then yes. Whilst at the moment Win 11 is Win 10 plus different shell, the code bases are going to bifurcate really quickly. For all intents and purposes, Win 10 will go into maintenance mode whilst all the churn and growth will happen on the Win 11 branch.
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Of course I'm not a seer and can't possibly see the future. But the history is instructive, and has many wrinkles.

As you know, Windows has historically developed from two very different engines: The DOS-launched Real Mode bootstrapper/launcher (Win 2x, 3x, 95, ME), and the "New Technology" (NT, itself from OS/2 with the Win GUI and API set), in Win NT and Win 2K. These were converged on the NT codebase starting with Win XP. Vista introduced a new driver model and came at a time when Msft was defocused by the DOJ and EU antitrust cases and fallout from the abandoned Cairo project.

Since before I joined Msft in the early 90s (because of my work with OS/2, mainly) Msft has been trying to move away from Win32 - it's long recognised its inadequacies since the advent of Protect Mode CPUs (the 16-bit 80286 in 1984 had a 16MB-addresssable Protect Mode, but the real impetus came with the 80386). There have been numerous efforts to get away from Win16-32 (OS/2, a JD with IBM, RT, S-Mode, to name a few), which is essentially a legacy vulnerability necessitated back then by legacy CPU architectures. Since then the Hobson's Choice for Msft has been the sine qua non of retaining legacy compatibility, which is also the real reason for its success and continued dominance, and abandoning Win32.

I suspect that with Win10 Msft has quietly and stealthily been rewriting the entire Win engine to be ready for when CPUs are powerful enough to seamlessly spin up multiple VMs / containers that meet the twin requirement of maintaining legacy compatibility but isolating the apps and middleware above the appropriate Protection Rings (Rings 0-2).

Sorry, will stop there. Getting waay too off-topic.
 
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Just bring us the Windows 11 theme to Windows 10 and we'll be good. My Sandybridge i5 is still running games at 1080p/60fps on medium to high settings with a 1050ti (4gb VRAM + 12gb RAM).
 
PhireSide said:
So in essence, Windows 10 will likely be getting minor updates and security patches only going forward, while most of the R&D will go into refining Windows 11 and adding features to it instead?
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That's the idea. The decoupling of UI features and in-box apps means that Windows 10 will still get updates to the Experience Pack that gets delivered through Windows Update, so Windows 10 users will eventually get the new Store and probably the new Mail and Calendar apps. Some things like Auto HDR are also expected to come to Windows 10 as well, but not Direct Storage.

Windows 11, meanwhile, gets everything else including the Sun Valley UI in Office 365/2022.

bar1 said:
so what will break if i enable secure boot now?
i am also dual booting linux
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Booting into Linux will break. If you use Ubuntu, however, that generally works with all Secure Boot implementations because Canonical pays Microsoft to sign their boot files and boot loader. Same goes for Fedora, RHEL, and OpenSUSE.

It can still flake out. Fedora, for example, sometimes requires Secure Boot to be turned off to install it because not all laptop and motherboard vendors include Microsoft's third-party key for booting other OSes with Secure Boot.

The other option is to enrol your own digital key to the Secure Boot key store in order for your Linux distro to work as normal, but that's not properly supported these days. The big Linux distros are all moving towards using a shim UEFI boot loader to become compliant.
 
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Asha'man X said:
Honestly, just getting all laptops onto SSD's would change the lives of so many people. I've worked with so many laptops that are a couple of years old that have decent enough specs but run slower than a snail buried in concrete thanks to the mechanical drive in them. Even a 250GB SATA SSD puts the turbo into these devices and totally gives them a new lease on life.

On the home side of things, the best method has been semi large SSD for boot and applications and a mechanical drive for bulk storage etc. This should continue to be the best approach until SSD prices for the larger disks continue to decrease.
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Agreed. I'd my side gig, the majority of work I've done in the last 18 months is replacing rotating drives with SSDs. I have not had one person think it wasn't 100% worth it.

I do suspect there have been changes in Windows 10 in the last couple of years that have resulted in PCs being slower.
 
Claymore said:
Agreed. I'd my side gig, the majority of work I've done in the last 18 months is replacing rotating drives with SSDs. I have not had one person think it wasn't 100% worth it.

I do suspect there have been changes in Windows 10 in the last couple of years that have resulted in PCs being slower.
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I have to agree with you there.

There is a massive difference even on a PC with a HDD running 1703 vs that same PC running 20H2, even more so if you incrementally upgraded over the years.

A fresh install does wonders, even with an SSD, and especially older ones based on SATA with lower IOPS. NVMe drives have spoilt me a little bit, and moving to a system with a conventional SATA SSD can sometimes be felt in the general snappiness of the UI. It's still a huge leap from anything with spinning rust, however.
 
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