To the whiners!

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">they will certainly earn a lot of negative publicity and consequently lose a lot of customers.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You're assuming Sentech are worried about that. Telkom have been operating for years with incredible amounts of negative publicity, and aren't worried in the least; why would Sentech be?

In any event, it seems pretty pointless to write SPECIFIC clauses like that into the contract / AUP without intending to use them.

mithrandi
 
I didn't sign the AUP that clause was in, I talked to Carel from ITWeb who released that article on the 22nd, and went through the whole contract I SIGNED again... no such clause. However, he did send me the link of the AUP....

Now, in the contract I SIGNED, stood that they could amend the contract as they wish, but they still need to notify me of any changes made AND get me to agree to them to be legal.

Like I said, I didn't sign ANY AUP like that, so I see at as rough guidelines rather than an enforcable thing... plus, ProAsm told us on the other thread, they don't have the time nor the means to track people like that at this moment, and doubts they will enforce it....

and that is the reason why I think they didn't include the AUP in the initial sign up contract, and **** them if they force me afterwards to sign or agree to it before they activate me connection...
 
If I had invested as much in a project as what Sentech has I would certainly be concerned about negative publicity and at the very least keep customers long enough to recover that investment. Telkom don't give a rat's ass because they don't need to. If they lost all of their ADSL customers tomorrow it wouldn't affect their bottom line that much and in fact they would probably heave a sigh of relief.

I agree those clauses do instill some concern and more than likely will be used, I just hope they are only enforced in extreme cases. Hopefully Sentech will send out warning notices before taking action.
 
Our legal system only provides for the stinking rich (they have the money to pay lawers to argue hours nitpicking technical non-issues) or desperate poor (they get leagal aid for free).

Us inbetween are effective banned from court because we can't afford it - and the big corporations now it.

But if this would end in a court case, I'm sure Sentech would have to prove that its definition of "abuse" and "excessive" is reasonable.

I'm no statistician, but I'm pretty sure that something like using more bandwidth than 99% of all the other users would be a reasonable measure.

Maybe Sentech could reword the clause slightly to: "The service may be suspended if the client does not reduce usage to acceptable levels within 3 days after being requested to do so".

And then also define excessive usage in some kind of formula eg as above. At least then one would have some indication of what is going on.

South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
Their claim to have "virtually unlimited bandwidth with their satelite" totally contradicts this clause

and again... I state, for those dislekcic (spelling) people out there


I DIDN'T SIGN ANY CONTRACT WITH THE AUP ON IT ON APPLICATION

thus, they can go **** themselves trying to enforce something I didn't agree to in the first place [:p]
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I DIDN'T SIGN ANY CONTRACT WITH THE AUP ON IT ON APPLICATION<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
As I stated in my other reply to you, you are quite right that you did not sign that AUP. HOWEVER, you signed a contract that stipulates that you have read AND AGREED to the AUP available on their website. So, while you may not have signed the actual AUP, you have still agreed to it.

mithrandi
 
*slap*

leave me alone, I'm as high as a kite and drunker than that one dude on the corner of beyers naude and the n1

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Sometimes I don't know why we bother...

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"Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until you hear them speak."

NetLink Research
 
dude, you're going to die of a heart attack if you don't stop being this serious about stuff.

Sheesh, lighten up won't you... here... a free lightbulb to replace that burnt out one you have... [B)]
 
If you spend your life joking around and not taking things seriously you'll end up a clown.
 
all work and no play made jack a dull boy, i work a 60 hour week (which still isn't alot) so I tend to ENJOY my time online... not use it as another form of "seriousnessnessness"

[:D] [:p]
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You cannot expect "up to date and knowledgable customer support" before or on the date the product has been released, unless they get international support people that are already familiar with the system and technology, they'll learn through experience<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

The fact that the service for their other products is just as shocking, however, makes me rather pessimistic about the MyWireless support improving. In any case, most of my queries have been unrelated to the technology itself; I mean, you hardly need a degree in electronic engineering to answer the question "Have you received my application and is it being processed?". Today, on about the fourth try, I actually got something vaguely resembling an answer to my queries about the status of my (well, actually my boss's) application.

mithrandi
 
Well, :/ I did only phone once to ask if they received my application. They then told me to give 2 to 3 days (I'll then give them 2) and they will get back to me.

I can tell you this, I'm sick and tired of companied with bad service, and I really hope they just by accident get it right by me.
But the sad fact about it stays ... I cant really do anything about it. I have before made enough noise at my insurance company so that they actually apoligized in writing. But it doesnt make a different. The next time they did it all over again.

If sentech gives bad service, what do I do ? drop the contract ?
I just cant do that, I want the product. Not the service, and well, they dont allow the outsourcing of the service.

The problem with most corporate companies. They mess up. You scream and moan. Eventually they do it right, and even give you an apology.

But this is just marketing, make the customer 'think' they wont do it again, and the customer stay. And for the sake of testing if they are gullable, do it again ;)

(Has anyone noticed that I'm really bored at work?)

Anyways, I just really hope they do this for me without glitches, Ive learned that if you talk to the people constantly through the process, things tend to happen, this becomes harder though when things get transferred to different departments. And a company doesnt want to expose their insides.

As a software developer, Ive made mistakes. Ive made some big ones too. Ive caused problems (not on purpous) that a bank had queues because of software not working right (I went into retail to experience that queue). And Imagine, those retailers had to start screaming at me and my boss, because of my mistake. Eventually, I could get fired. Now if this is my fault, or the companies, it's quite a problem. If I get fired, I cant pay my car, I have a bad working record, I cant pay my flat, I cant pay my wireless ;) and well, finding another job becomes harder. And I get blacklisted ... and life is all messed and I shoot myself ;)

Imagine someone that works in a company getting fired for their mistake (even if it's justified). They might have children (some kid on chronic medication) that needs medical aid, and they cannot pay that. You get the idea.

In the end, I feel it's fine talking a company through a process, like this, phone them constantly, get updates (they should have some tool on the web-site). Dont get them fired ... You'll be sorry afterwards ... the feeling is not great.

In the end, I know the saying 'we all make mistakes' doesnt apply to mass scale bad service, but be carefull not to destroy lives through the process of trying to fix it.

Yes we want them to do it all right, and now. But I have never been to a company that it works like that everyime. Sometimes it works first time, other times it doesnt.

anyways .. that's enough nonsense for now ;) hehe
later

(Waiting .... for 128k of bliss)
 
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