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Abbas: Israeli-Palestinian peace could be reached in two months

Palestinian leader urges Netanyahu to take new approach to peace process; Netanyahu: I'll sit for direct talks until agreement achieved.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Sunday that he believed Israel and the Palestinians could reach a deal within two months, if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was willing to take a new approach in the peace process.

The Palestinian president reiterated that the time had come for decisions, rather than talks, and said that Jerusalem must be the non-negotiable capital of the Palestinian state. Abbas did add, however, that the Palestinians would not make a unilateral declaration of statehood.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...n-two-months-1.334790?localLinksEnabled=false
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But after five wars and three decades of revolution, the Communists could see by 1989 that the frontal approach would not soon topple Jerusalem. At that point, the Soviet Bloc switched to a new strategy of deception. By faking the death of Communism, Moscow has finally opened the door to its victory. And behind its newly-accelerating drive to eliminate Israel stands its architect, the latest head of the Soviet secret police.

His name is Yevgeniy Primakov.

The shadow is cast…

By the end of the 1973 Yom Kippur War, the Soviets could see that Israel would never be defeated through direct conflict. Despite early successes while invading Israel’s buffer zones in the Sinai and the Golan Heights, Syrian and Egyptian forces soon found themselves in full retreat. Realizing that Israel would first have to yield its occupied territories before it would become militarily vulnerable, the Soviets chose a new tactic known as the “Phased Plan.”

The PLO officially adopted this plan in June, 1974.3 Phase 1 would involve pressuring Israel to withdraw from its territories, upon which the PLO would establish a People’s Republic of Palestine. In Phase 2, the heavily-armed Communist state would serve as the launching point for a Soviet-backed invasion of Israel.

How could Israel be induced to surrender strategic land — to the PLO, no less? The Communists decided to call for a “peace conference” between Israel, the Arab states, and the PLO. The catch, moreover, was that the Soviet Union would co-sponsor the talks. Such an international conference would pit Israel against all other participants, heightening pressure for concessions.

Soviet official Andrei Gromyko started the process in 1973, offering to open diplomatic relations with Israel in return for a peace conference. The Israelis first refused, but the damage inflicted by the Yom Kippur War changed their minds. In late 1973, Israel agreed to international talks in Geneva, Switzerland. The Soviets co-sponsored the meeting, though still refusing to recognize Israel diplomatically. Only the PLO was not officially allowed to participate.

Henry Kissinger played the key role in furthering Soviet aims. Israeli journalist Matti Golan reported that, during the first few days of the Yom Kippur War, while the Communist governments of Yugoslavia, Algeria, Libya, Iraq, and the Soviet Union were resupplying Egypt and Syria,4 Kissinger had delayed the emergency shipment of U.S. arms to Israel. Then, once Israel had regained its military balance and scored decisive victories, he went behind the Israelis’ backs and negotiated a ceasefire directly with the Soviets. Nor was this difficult for him; as Soviet ambassador Anatoliy Dobrynin later revealed, the Soviets had quietly appointed Kissinger as their representative at the same time that he was representing the United States.5 Kissinger then pressured Israel into accepting the ceasefire, which returned portions of the Sinai peninsula to Egypt

http://www.attacreport.com/ar_archives/art_iswr1_shadow.htm
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and said that Jerusalem must be the non-negotiable capital of the Palestinian state.
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This will never happen^
 
nivek said:
This will never happen^
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Thank you for admitting that right wing jews are the obstacle to peace. Can you please get your politicans to admit this in America instead of lying when on US Television saying the current Israeli leadership wants peace.

The whole world recognises that Jerusalem belongs to the Israelis and Palestinians. AIPAC is not powerful enough to swing American support for Israel should they reject the Palestinians right to Jerusalem as a capital of the Palestinian state.

Doesn't matter though. Israel will, as it usually does, try everything to sabatoge the peace process along with those tossers Hamas. But rest assured the one state solution is coming. Israelis and Palestinians will have to learn to live with each other in one state.

Here's my view:

In under 10 years, due to current/constant building of settlements, Israel will have to annex the West Bank. Initially, it won't provide rights to the then 3 million Palestinians thereby creating a true Apartheid state. This situation can last a maximum of 5 years because America believes in equal rights for all, and even AIPAC will not be able to 'persuade' enough Senators and Congressmen to continue supporting Israel, especially given America's decline from superpower status. When the 3 million Palestinians get the chance to vote, along with the then (close to) 2 million Israeli Arabs, they will all vote for a single Arab candidate who will claim 50% of the vote in the Israeli elections. Right wing Israelis will no doubt vote for their candidate and left wing Israelis for theirs sharing the remaining 50% of the vote between them. At this point the parties will have to learn to live with each other for their mutual prosperity.

This will essentially mean the end of Israel as a Jewish state. And all at the hands of right wing Israelis. So Israel's greatest enemy is not that loon Ahmadinejad, but right wing Israelis.
 
dj_jyno said:
+1

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been ongoing for at least 2000 years. Do they really think they'll reach an agreement now?
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I think you missed his point. It's not that he doesn't think a peace agreement will be reached, he doesn't support the Palestinians right to share Jerusalem, something the whole world recognises is not-negotiable.
 
dj_jyno said:
+1

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been ongoing for at least 2000 years. Do they really think they'll reach an agreement now?
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where do you get this nonsense? generations of Jews lived peacefully in Palestine for centuries prior to the invention of radical Zionism in Europe and the subsequent colonial machinations which produced the entity now know as "Israel", dont confuse historical conflicts involving Jews with the current issue.
 
Carbon_Fibre said:
I think you missed his point. It's not that he doesn't think a peace agreement will be reached, he doesn't support the Palestinians right to share Jerusalem, something the whole world recognises is not-negotiable.
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Abbas is using Jerusalem as a stumbling block, he knows full well the Israelis wont negotiate under those conditions, thereby making them look like the 1s rejecting his latest peace talks..
Jerusalem is pretty much the only holy city in the jewish religeon and not even good enough to be the second most holiest city in islam

In any case, in 1948, it was only East Jerusalem that was allocated to Jordan, and lost in the 67 war, if anyone has claim to the land in East Jerusalem (note Abbas doesnt just say 'East Jerusalem' in the article above, he says 'Jerusalem' as the capital, which is what I was referring to when I said it would never happen) its the Jordanians
 
There will NEVER be peace. No one wants peace. Neither the Israeli’s nor the Palestinians. A lasting peace will never happen. Anyone would be extremely unwise to think they can broker peace (Israel’s enemies don’t even bluff themselves it’s possible). The best that can be hoped for is indefinitely delayed hostilities. That’s what should be aimed for by both sides. An indefinite ‘armed truce’ is realistic. It may be possible to continue delaying far into the future. I believe there are several unresolved conflicts around the world where this strategy is practised. If Israel feels its security is threatened, nothing anyone can do will change their minds.
 
nivek said:
Abbas is using Jerusalem as a stumbling block, he knows full well the Israelis wont negotiate under those conditions, thereby making them look like the 1s rejecting his latest peace talks..
Jerusalem is pretty much the only holy city in the jewish religeon and not even good enough to be the second most holiest city in islam

In any case, in 1948, it was only East Jerusalem that was allocated to Jordan, and lost in the 67 war, if anyone has claim to the land in East Jerusalem (note Abbas doesnt just say 'East Jerusalem' in the article above, he says 'Jerusalem' as the capital, which is what I was referring to when I said it would never happen) its the Jordanians
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Oh dear don't be a fool. Everyone knows when they talk about Jerusalem, the mean East Jerusalem for the Palestinians and West Jerusalem for the Israelis. In any peace deal, the parties will have to agree on some independent body to monitor/oversee the holy sites in the old city Temple Mount including the Dome of the Rock, Al Aqsa Mosque, the Waling Wall, etc.

This will be a test as to whether Netanyahu wants peace. Remember just a few weeks ago Ehud Barak said Jerusalem needed to split up much to Netanyahu's disgust. That leaves Netanyahu along with a small group of ultra-right wingers who seek to deny the Palestinians Jerusalem. This is against all accepted views across the world including the Europeans, the Americans and even the majority of Israelis. So please wake the hell up and stop peddling this cr@p.

I'm also perplexed as to why you right wingers always refuse to justify why you continue to support increased settlements and fail to even discuss the 'Demographic' threat to Israel I refered to in my previous post. This warning to Israel from the whole world is ignored, in addition to the Israeli academics who continually raise this issue, but are pushed aside by the powerful right.
 
Palimino said:
There will NEVER be peace. No one wants peace. Neither the Israeli’s nor the Palestinians. A lasting peace will never happen. Anyone would be extremely unwise to think they can broker peace (Israel’s enemies don’t even bluff themselves it’s possible). The best that can be hoped for is indefinitely delayed hostilities. That’s what should be aimed for by both sides. An indefinite ‘armed truce’ is realistic. It may be possible to continue delaying far into the future. I believe there are several unresolved conflicts around the world where this strategy is practised. If Israel feels its security is threatened, nothing anyone can do will change their minds.
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You always post this ridiculously uninformed view. Every intelligent person knows we have reached a crossroads, the situation cannot continue forever.

By posting this incredibly ignorant view, what you are saying it is fine for 1 people (Israelis) to rule over another (the Palestinians) denying them virtually every human right in perpetuity. That's extremely cruel. Are you some sort of sadist? Even the right wingers say they don't want that. Yes, they want to make the Palestinians suffer for some time, but not forever.
 
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