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JOHANNESBURG - The Greater Gauteng Business Forum on Tuesday denied that its members were mobilising to take part in xenophobic attacks in three Johannesburg townships.

But the group said foreign-owned shops were bad for South Africa’s economy.

Over the last few weeks, shops were looted in Diepsloot, Sebokeng and Orange farm in Gauteng.

Dozens of people were also arrested.

The forum's Tshwane chairperson Mpane Baloyi said they do not want foreigners in townships.

“Our government should stop issuing asylum to these people [foreigners]; they should rather place them in camps. We don’t want them on our streets, not because we hate them, but due to economic space. You have to understand unemployment is very high in South Africa.”

Baloyi said communities were boiling with anger and government should intervene before attacks spill over into a war.

Meanwhile, the families of the two Zimbabwean men murdered in Diepsloot at the weekend said they were struggling to raise funds for their funerals.

The killings, allegedly committed by a Somali shop owner, triggered a spate of attacks on shops belonging to foreign nationals.

Police arrested 45 men after more than 30 shops were looted in the northern Johannesburg township.

The Movement for Democratic Change (MDC)'s Innocence Jeke has been in contact with both families.

“The families are not coping at all.”

The Somali shop owner appeared in court earlier on Tuesday.

At the same time, government condemned the attacks calling them “pure criminal activity.”
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WTF. 2008 all over again?


http://ewn.co.za/2013/05/28/Place-foreigners-in-camps---Business
 
Throw Mpane Baloyi out rather - People who foster hate should not be in any position of authority, be it a Councillor or Tshwane chairperson of the Greater Gauteng Business Forum.
 
Yes, let's place them in camps and keep them separated from us. :rolleyes:

So long as we don't give it a name we can pretend it doesn't exist and the rest of the world will be none the wiser...this time.

Jeez. I mean, really. Listen to yourself, idiot.
 
I think I heard him (or some other idiot) say, "They are also taking our young girls and they all behave badly" :erm:
 
Flanders said:
Yes, let's place them in camps and keep them separated from us. :rolleyes:

So long as we don't give it a name we can pretend it doesn't exist and the rest of the world will be none the wiser...this time.

Jeez. I mean, really. Listen to yourself, idiot.
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Seems like you are staying in a suburb where spaza shops are not allowed
 
Cool E said:
Seems like you are staying in a suburb where spaza shops are not allowed
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Huh? I think what it seems like, is that you completely missed my point.

Remember that most frowned upon time in the history of our country? That term we have rammed down our throats every single day? Well that's what these twits are advocating against foreigners.
 
Flanders said:
Huh? I think what it seems like, is that you completely missed my point.

Remember that most frowned upon time in the history of our country? That term we have rammed down our throats every single day? Well that's what these twits are advocating against foreigners.
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Maybe i have missed your point. Last week saturday, i saw a lot of them at Marabastad Home Affairs. My guess was they are looking for passport or are asylum seekers. So why must we stay with ppl without proper documents.
 
Cool E said:
Maybe i have missed your point. Last week saturday, i saw a lot of them at Marabastad Home Affairs. My guess was they are looking for passport or are asylum seekers. So why must we stay with ppl without proper documents.
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So you are not in the Western Cape - so much for hooking up.

Anyway - back to the topic - so, you want them to have pass books?
 
Cool E said:
Maybe i have missed your point. Last week saturday, i saw a lot of them at Marabastad Home Affairs. My guess was they are looking for passport or are asylum seekers. So why must we stay with ppl without proper documents.
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The corrupt government allowed them in to begin with, yet the Home Affairs officials refuse to grant them asylum status without a bribe being paid, so they have to go back every six months to renew their asylum seeker status.

What you saw at Marabastad, is a failed government in action.
 
We open the borders, removing barriers for entry, we don't effectively control the problem of illegal immigrants inside the country, then necklace them, hack them to death, burn their shops and want to put them in camps next...anc style solutions.
 
Cool E said:
Seems like you are staying in a suburb where spaza shops are not allowed
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It seems you do? What's the general view in your area? Is it more an issue of foreigners being foreigners, and not foreigners owning shops? Or a bit of both?

Cool E said:
Maybe i have missed your point. Last week saturday, i saw a lot of them at Marabastad Home Affairs. My guess was they are looking for passport or are asylum seekers. So why must we stay with ppl without proper documents.
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A lot of them seem to be trying to legitimize their stay, but it seems the home affairs workers are intentionally (just yesterday), blocking or slowing down the process. That's besides the point though. I don't think the people killing and beating foreigners ask them before hand if they are here legitimately.


The article I linked:
Cape Town - Security staff at the old Customs House on the Foreshore turned a fire hose on hundreds of refugees queuing to renew their asylum seeker documents on a chilly winter’s morning.

Men, women, and mothers holding children staggered backwards as the strong jet of cold water was sprayed over them.

Some of the refugees have been queueing every day since last Monday to renew their asylum seeker’s documents, which allow an asylum seeker to live and work in South Africa on a temporary basis.

But on Monday, when the gates were opened and a frustrated crowd of about 1 000 people surged into the building, Ma***o Security staff, contracted by Home Affairs, turned the fire hose on them.

Mustapha Mohammed, a Ghanaian barber who runs a salon in Christiane in North West Province, said: “I have travelled from North West Province, and expected to have my document renewed within a day or two. Now it has been almost two weeks, and my money has run out.

“At night I am sleeping right here on the ground by the refugee centre because I don’t know anyone in Cape Town.”
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Men, women, and mothers holding children staggered backwards as the strong jet of cold water hit them. Picture: Thomas Holder

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He said he had to renew his documents in Cape Town because the Mother City was his port of entry.

Delays in the centre’s renewal of asylum seeker documents have seen the build-up of a processing backlog.

Many people said their “appointments” made on previous days had been nullified each morning with the arrival of more immigrants starting new queues.

Some said they had been queueing every day since Monday last week.

Braam Hanekom, of the refugee rights NGO People Against Suffering, Oppression and Poverty (Passop), said these documents were held by immigrants while they awaited “refugee status determination” interviews, which could see them receive longer-term documents.

An asylum seeker’s document needs to be renewed every few months.

Hanekom said Passop would send a team of investigators to the centre on Tuesday to investigate and to compile report on the delays.

He warned of the negative effects these delays had on immigrants’ lives.

His warnings were corroborated by interviews the Cape Argus conducted at the office on Monday.

Inko Mbumu Pericles from the Democratic Republic of Congo said: “I have been waiting for days and now my document has expired. I can be arrested by police at any moment, and do you think they care about your excuses before they throw you into the back of the van? The office also wants to fine R2 500 you if you come to them with an expired document.”

Raymond Ntuli, an electrician from Zimbabwe, said he had had to turn down work because he had to queue every day.

Bernard Matunga Idumo, also from the DRC, brandished a letter from his bank saying he could not access his account until Home Affairs provided them with “verification” of his asylum status.

Yusuf Simons, provincial manager for Home Affairs in the Western Cape, said the department had scheduled more interviews over the past week to finalise outstanding applications for asylum seeker permits.

These outstanding application apparently relate to a backlog that originated from the closure of Cape Town’s refugee centre in July last year.

“Today, we have taken down the names of those asylum seekers that could not be assisted, and they will be prioritised for service today.”

Simons said the old Customs House was being used as a temporary refugee centre, dealing mainly with the backlog of asylum seeker permits submitted in Cape Town before the closure of the refugee centre last June.

“No new applications for asylum are processed in Cape Town.”

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b_crazy said:
A lot of them seem to be trying to legitimize their stay, but it seems the home affairs workers are intentionally (just yesterday), blocking or slowing down the process. That's besides the point though. I don't think the people killing and beating foreigners ask them before hand if they are here legitimately.
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Exactly. The foreigners start queueing (sp) way before 08:00 in the morning and then the ******* civil servants take their tea until about 09:30 and then they slowly start helping these poor people that have been there for hours already.
 
Flanders said:
Huh? I think what it seems like, is that you completely missed my point.

Remember that most frowned upon time in the history of our country? That term we have rammed down our throats every single day? Well that's what these twits are advocating against foreigners.
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This is the most legitimate thing in this thread.
Unfortunately everyone seems to be missing the point and its exactly what flanders said above.
 
Cool E said:
Maybe i have missed your point. Last week saturday, i saw a lot of them at Marabastad Home Affairs. My guess was they are looking for passport or are asylum seekers. So why must we stay with ppl without proper documents.
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You do realise the absolute irony of your statement here

Let's just do a quick history lesson: If pre 1994 [1992 actually], you were not in possesion of 'proper documents' , were you allowed into certain areas ? or were you seen as an outsider and 'not welcome' ?

Yes, that did happen, it was called apartheid, and you had to have a 'pass' to enter other areas. An open society goes both ways, you can't say for years you struggle to be part of SA, and now that you and everyone that had a pass is part of south african, you wan't to throw those that don't have 'proper documentation' out.

History, she repearts herself, lets not make the same mistakes this time round, ey?
 
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