First satellite for India's navigation system launched

More space junk? Pakistan will follow with their own version, and then Iran. Soon rockets going to space will be fitted with bull-bars ... especially when we launch ours.
 
BeVonk! said:
More space junk? Pakistan will follow with their own version, and then Iran. Soon rockets going to space will be fitted with bull-bars ... especially when we launch ours.
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Indian is on track to be the most populous nation in the world in a fairly short time. All of those people jammed into one small spot. To cover that region with sat navigation you don't need many sats (global =32 iirc) and the economic benefit will be sizable.

These launches don't cause a lot of space junk...its the demonstrations & testing of sat killer tech that is filling the orbits with crap.
 
pure idiotic pissing contest. GPS works and GLONASS and Galileo both make dependence on GPS a non-issue
 
Paul Hjul said:
pure idiotic pissing contest. GPS works and GLONASS and Galileo both make dependence on GPS a non-issue
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Galileo isn't operational yet. GLONASS...fckin lol. It only took them 34 years to get *Russia* covered...oh and one of their rockets fell out of the sky like 12 hours ago.

Besides if you have a pissed neighbor with nukes then you make sure you control your on sat nav.
 
^ precisely

Ag the point is that India cannot possible catch up to the point where their satnav network is able to accomplish much whereas contributing to a bigger network helps.
 
Paul Hjul said:
^ precisely

Ag the point is that India cannot possible catch up to the point where their satnav network is able to accomplish much whereas contributing to a bigger network helps.
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Disagree. The tech is like 30 years old & its financially easily within their grasp, so India can def do this. Contributing to a larger network...not a chance. The US won't let anyone contribute...galileo...maybe.

idk maybe I play too many strategy games, but my gut feeling is that India has it 100% in this case - its makes strategic & economic sense.
 
I don't see how having satnav covering your home turf makes much military sense - I see the value in India having the ability to launch spy sats in order to get reconnaissance on a hostile party, however having the damn thing up in space and covering your own country doesn't help. I see this far more in line with a pissing contest and show of might.
 
Paul Hjul said:
I don't see how having satnav covering your home turf makes much military sense
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No? You're granting a random 3rd party the ability to arbitrarily block your navigation & guidance ability - surely you can see how this is a problem in a military sense.

tbh I don't think you've given this much thought. India has access to public GPS. Cool beans. Except public GPS is 100% useless for guiding missiles (It cuts out if you go too fast and/or high unless you've got access to US military GPS channels). Again neighbor with nukes....missiles matter = serious business.
 
It is the home turf problem which you aren't seeing. Lets assume India has a fully functional satnav system on their home turf and a regional power attacks their nav system can only detect the ICBM once it is in India airspace - too late to do anything about it. You cannot use the system for guiding missiles outside the coverage area - which is home turf orientated. Moreover while the system is up there your opponents can search for vulnerabilities and can make plans to intercept.

What I am suggesting is that having a system that can be deployed and cover whatever grid (and these things have really odd coverage lines) needs to be covered is more useful from a military point of view than being seen to have a satnav system on the military claim. I assure you that the US have contingency plans for guidance systems and navigation in the event of war to complement GPS
 
Paul Hjul said:
It is the home turf problem which you aren't seeing. Lets assume India has a fully functional satnav system on their home turf and a regional power attacks their nav system can only detect the ICBM once it is in India airspace - too late to do anything about it. You cannot use the system for guiding missiles outside the coverage area
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lol no dude. With 7 sats they'll have a solid portion of europe & asia & africa covered.

Paul Hjul said:
their nav system can only detect the ICBM once it is in India airspace
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Are you sure you know what sat navigation is? Its definitely not used to detect ICBMs. Unless Hollywood...

Paul Hjul said:
I assure you that the US have contingency plans for guidance systems and navigation in the event of war to complement GPS
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They don't. They just switch off the unencrypted public channels - then everyone is fcked except the US military...and India/EU/Russia since they have their own system.
 
HavocXphere said:
They don't. They just switch off the unencrypted public channels - then everyone is fcked except the US military...and India/EU/Russia since they have their own system.
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Actually they are starting to develop systems that do not rely on GPS for navigation. Reason: Radio Jamming of GPS signals is so stupidly easy. Here's the next big step: http://www.gizmag.com/darpa-timu-gps/27039/

These government DARPA okes... fck they come up with some impressive stuff. Some mad money and skills in that organisation.

Have to agree with Havoc though. From a military standpoint GPS would be useless for India. They cannot rely on using the military GPS signal, and with the speed and altitude limit on public GPS channels, their nav systems would be useless. One the consumer side sure, GPS / GLONASS and Gallileo (if that ever goes live) would be fine.

This is not a bad idea from India. It's a good idea from a strategic point of view.
 
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