The Quebec Oil Train Crash

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A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train ignited explosions and fires braced Monday for what authorities assured would be a rising death toll as fire crews tried to reach the hardest hit areas more than two days after the disaster. Five were dead and about 40 people remained missing.

The growing number of trains transporting crude oil in Canada and the United States had raised concerns of a major derailment, and this one was sure to add to the debate over a proposed cross-U.S. oil pipeline that Canada says it badly needs.

All but one of the train's 73 tanker cars were carrying oil when they somehow came loose early Saturday morning, sped downhill nearly seven miles (11 kilometers) into the town near the Maine border, derailed and began exploding one by one. At least five blew.

Worries remained late Sunday over the status of two oil-filled train cars at the scene. They were being doused with water and foam to keep them from overheating.

"This is an unbelievable disaster," said Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who toured the town Sunday and compared it to a war zone. "This is an enormous area, 30 buildings just completely destroyed, for all intents and purposes incinerated. There isn't a family that is not affected by this."

The downtown bar area had been bustling at the time of the crash. Quebec provincial police Sgt. Benoit Richard said only a small part of the devastated scene had been searched Sunday as firefighters made sure all flames were out. About a third of the community of 6,000 was forced out of their homes.

Locals were convinced the death toll was far higher than five. Anne-Julie Huot, 27, said at least five friends and about 20 acquaintances remained unaccounted for.

"I have a friend who was smoking outside the bar when it happened, and she barely got away, so we can guess what happened to the people inside," Huot said. "It's like a nightmare."

A coroner's spokeswoman said it may not be possible to recover some of the bodies because of the intensity of the blasts.

The train's oil was being transported from North Dakota's Bakken oil region to a refinery in New Brunswick. Because of limited pipeline capacity in the Bakken region and in Canada, oil producers are increasingly using railroads to transport oil to refineries.

The Canadian Railway Association recently estimated that as many as 140,000 carloads of crude oil will be shipped on Canada's tracks this year - up from 500 carloads in 2009. The Quebec disaster is the fourth freight train accident in Canada under investigation involving crude oil shipments since the beginning of the year.

Harper has called railroad transit "far more environmentally challenging" while trying to persuade the Obama administration to approve the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada to the Gulf Coast. Greenpeace Canada said Sunday that federal safety regulations haven't kept up with the enormous growth in the shipment of oil by rail.

Officials with the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway said that despite the disaster, they feel transporting oil by rail is safe.

"No matter what mode of transportation you are going to have incidents. That's been proven. This is an unfortunate incident," said Joe McGonigle, Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway's vice president of marketing.

He said the company believes the train's brakes were the cause. "The train was parked, it was tied up. The brakes were secured. Somehow it got loose," he said.

McGonigle said there was no reason to suspect any criminal or terror-related activity.

Local fire Chief Denis Lauzon said firefighters in a nearby community were called to a locomotive fire on the same train a few hours before the derailment. McGonigle confirmed the fire department showed up after the first engineer tied up and went to a hotel.

"We know that one of our employees from our engineering department showed up at the same time to assist the fire department. Exactly what they did is being investigated, so the engineer wasn't the last man to touch that train, we know that, but we're not sure what happened," McGonigle said.

Transportation Safety Board investigator Donald Ross said the black box of the locomotive has been recovered, but officials haven't been able to access much of the site.

"We've had a very good safety record for these 10 years," said Edward Burkhardt, the president and CEO of Rail World Inc., the parent company of Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway. "Well, I think we've blown it here."

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Associated Press writer Rob Gillies and Charmaine Noronha contributed from Toronto.


Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 08 Jul 2013 09:07
 
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"No matter what mode of transportation you are going to have incidents. That's been proven. This is an unfortunate incident," said Joe McGonigle, Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway's vice president of marketing.

They should fire this person. He should come out say something like this accident is horrific and we will do our best to ensure something like this never happens again.
 
They should fire this person. He should come out say something like this accident is horrific and we will do our best to ensure something like this never happens again.

why fire someone for speaking the truth ?

He is right. There will be accidents, as long as someone is moving. Guarenteed.
 
why fire someone for speaking the truth ?

He is right. There will be accidents, as long as someone is moving. Guaranteed.

I have no problems with accidents, i understand there will be accidents. Explain to me what measures were in place to ensure the train was not able to run away or break apart? There should surely be extremely tight measures in place to ensure it cannot happen. So if one system failed there should be a back up. To me it sounds like negligence and a lack of safety measures.


Somehow they came loose, see to me i wonder, how can they somehow they come loose? What safety measures are there? what failed? What are they going to do moving forward to ensure it cannot happen again? Saying sorry somehow they came loose and there will always be incidents when moving this cargo to me it is a terrible statement. It's obviously a safety issue and a lack of safety measures. So yes it is an accident(avoidable though) but they seen so cocky about it and arrogant. Accident is fine, negligence leading to an accident is not fine and a complete lack of acceptance that their safety measures may be poor doesn't sit well with me. A statement basically saying o well sorry but this sort of thing happens and will happen in the future seems like a bad statement to make. Negligence should not happen in the future. They should be apologizing and reassuring the people they will do their utmost to make sure this can't happen again.
 
Explain to me what measures were in place to ensure the train was not able to run away or break apart?

Train brakes are fail-safe as they have automatic brakes. Their natural state is to be continuously engaged and requires a positive action (air pressure or vacuum which is the minority) to disengage them. So if air pressure is lost or or rolling stock somehow break free severing the air hoses the brakes will engage. Most trains these days have a triple valve system with reservoir on each 'wagon'.

You will probably find human error is to blame (like shutting a valve in system under pressure like Gare de Lyon accident) when the accident report comes out. Unfortunately human error is hard to completely eliminate like we have seen in aircraft accidents. Thing is the train was secured and the guy left for the night and the train only started rolling later so this is quite weird.

For this to happen is extremely rare.
 
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Train brakes are pretty fail-safe as they have automatic brakes. Their natural state is to be continuously engaged and requires a positive action (air pressure or vacuum which is the minority) to disengage them. So if air pressure is lost or or rolling stock somehow break free severing the air hoses the brakes will engage. Most trains these days have a triple valve system with reservoir on each 'wagon'.

You will probably find human error is to blame (like shutting a valve in system under pressure like Gare de Lyon accident) when the accident report comes out. Unfortunately human error is hard to completely eliminate like we have seen in aircraft accidents. Thing is the train was secured and the guy left for the night and the train only started rolling later so this is quite weird.

For this to happen is extremely rare.

No doubt you are correct but when you are carrying that type of cargo, surely there must be measures in place that if one system fails there is another that engages. Fail safe basically i think that is what it's called. I have no issue with the human element but saying incidents like this will happen instead of saying we will investigate as to why it somehow came lose seems a bit arrogant considering the damage.

It is a bit odd for this to happen i guess but without knowing what system failed or why it happened i wonder if it was an accident waiting to happen, just needed the right circumstances.
 
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Fail safe basically i think that is what it's called.

Thing is these brakes are fail-safe and designed as such. Would like to know how this happened, trains/wagons don't just start rolling on their own. Maybe I should have left the 'pretty' part out of my post.

Only other thing I can possibly think of is to tie them down with massive chains to large concrete anchors in the ground.
 
An unfortunate accident, or is it? I'm sure the Keystone XL pipeline will get a lot more support after this debacle, and Obama's promises to free the USA from dirty energy will be pushed even farther back in peoples' minds...

"We've had a very good safety record for these 10 years," said Edward Burkhardt, the president and CEO of Rail World Inc., the parent company of Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway. "Well, I think we've blown it here."

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
 
So this disaster happens and this is being brought up:

Harper has called railroad transit "far more environmentally challenging" while trying to persuade the Obama administration to approve the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada to the Gulf Coast. Greenpeace Canada said Sunday that federal safety regulations haven't kept up with the enormous growth in the shipment of oil by rail.

Quite interesting...
 
Thing is these brakes are fail-safe and designed as such. Would like to know how this happened, trains/wagons don't just start rolling on their own. Maybe I should have left the 'pretty' part out of my post.

Only other thing I can possibly think of is to tie them down with massive chains to large concrete anchors in the ground.

Do you think they left a train with 73 cars carrying highly explosive material in hands of people who don't have anyone checking that those people did their jobs correctly to ensure it is secured considering humans will make mistakes. Companies we get our stock from have double checking stock for a reason. They don't trust one person will get it right but two are more than likely to get it right.

Wow if they don't have a system where they ensure the first guy has got it right then no wonder it happened but as we mentioned we really don't know the setup or what happened other than somehow it happened.
 
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They should fire this person. He should come out say something like this accident is horrific and we will do our best to ensure something like this never happens again.

For some reason his comments remind me of this:

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