Crisis in Ukraine

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Wrong thread snoopdoggy but just so you know ISIS are a different set of militants in Syria that the US does not support :)
 
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Why Ukraine rejected Russia's gas offer:

Gas row: Ukraine 'won't fall into Russian gas trap'

Ukraine said that an offer from Russia of a discount of $100 for every 1,000 cubic metres of gas was part of a "trap".

Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said Ukraine would not agree to any discounts within its current gas deal.

Russia and Ukraine are in talks in Brussels to try to resolve the issue.

The two countries are locked in a disagreement over a rescinded Russian gas rebate.

Ukraine wants a new gas deal based on "a contract, rather than on the basis of whether Russia likes the Ukrainian government or not", Mr Yatsenyuk said.

Before the rebate was cancelled, Ukraine's gas bill was heavily discounted by Russia to $268 per 1,000 cubic metres.

After the discount was withdrawn, the price went back up to $485.50 per 1,000 cubic metres, the highest in Europe.

Russia had threatened to cut off gas supplies unless Ukraine paid its gas bill, which runs into billions of dollars, by Tuesday.

However, following negotiations in Brussels, on Wednesday Russia extended the deadline until 16 June and offered the $100 discount.

That offer was rejected by Ukraine.

"I want to make an official statement that we know these Russian traps," Mr Yatsenyuk told a government meeting broadcast by 5 Kanal TV on Wednesday.

"The discount is set by the Russian government and is cancelled by the Russian government. So our offer was and remains unchanged. The contract must be changed."

Mr Yatsenyuk said Ukraine was prepared to pay the market price on its debt.

Almost 15% of gas used in Europe comes from Russia via Ukraine. There are fears that if Ukraine's supplies are cut off, it could have an impact on supplies in Europe.
 
wait till I draw a "RED LINE" that you better not cross, unhappy let me leave you to defend the most dangerous person on this planet
 
wait till I draw a "RED LINE" that you better not cross, unhappy let me leave you to defend the most dangerous person on this planet

What?

Im not a fan of Obama or the States but facts are facts. USA have actually supplied specific groups in Syria to fight ISIS. Educate yourself man. Lets talk in the Syrian thread and i will show you some videos :)
 
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BOEHNER: Obama Is 'Taking A Nap' While Iraq Is Falling Apart

House Speaker John Boehner accused President Barack Obama of "taking a nap" while militant forces make major gains in Iraq and are advancing on Baghdad.

"It’s not like we haven’t seen this problem coming for over a year," Boehner said at a press conference on Thursday. "They're 100 miles from Baghdad. And what’s the president doing? Taking a nap!"

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), a group so extreme it was expelled from al-Qaida's global network earlier this year, has made major advances this week. It has seized control of the key Iraqi cities of Mosul and Tikrit, and it has gained facilities in the oil-refining town of Baiji.

The White House said Wednesday it is "deeply concerned" about the developments in Iraq, and that it is committed to providing assistance with Iraq. Republican lawmakers have begun amping up their criticism of the Obama administration this week amid the rapidly unfolding developments.

On the Senate floor Thursday, Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and John McCain (R-Arizona), two of the most common, fierce critics of the administration's foreign policy, reamed into President Barack Obama. McCain made the aggressive suggestion that Obama should replace his entire national security braintrust. Graham said a Pentagon briefing earlier in the day "scared the hell" out of him.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boehner-iraq-obama-taking-a-nap-2014-6
 
Terrorists now armed with M16's driving Humvees's and enough stolen cash $400 million to buy instead of hijack their own Boeing aircraft. Obama (Speeches) should have listened to Putin. Do u think the world is a safer place today unhappy?
 
Video of alleged white phosphorus, doesnt look like its being used as a weapon at all. Looks like its being used as a smoke screen

[video=youtube;yLizHCJDB6c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLizHCJDB6c[/video]
 
Ukraine rebel leader's car blown up in Donetsk

Donetsk (Ukraine) (AFP) - A car belonging to Donetsk rebel leader Denis Pushilin was blown up in the restive eastern Ukrainian city on Thursday, wounding three bodyguards, a spokeswoman for the separatist government told AFP.

Pushilin, who was not in the car when the explosion hit, is one of the leaders of the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic".

The separatist rebel movement has its headquarters in the former regional government building in the heart of the coal mining city.

"Pushilin's car was blown up. Three bodyguards were injured. He was not in the vehicle," spokeswoman Klavdiya Kulbatskaya said by telephone.

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-rebel...-195748423.html;_ylt=AwrBEiQTGppTamMAdTjQtDMD
 
EXPLOSION KILLS AT LEAST SEVEN MINERS IN EASTERN UKRAINE

At least seven miners were killed in a gas explosion in an eastern Ukrainian coalmine, officials said Friday. Rescue workers discovered seven bodies in the mine in the Donetsk region, the Ukrainian emergency situations agency said in a statement. It added that the search continued for two missing miners. The gas explosion happened early Thursday 300 metres below surface in a mine in Kirovske, east of the regional capital Donetsk. The mines in the industrial Donbass region, which includes Donetsk and which has been hit by an armed pro-Russian insurgency in recent months, are notorious for their frequent accidents and low safety standards.


Source : Sapa-dpa /ma
Date : 13 Jun 2014 10:21
 
RUSSIA SUBMITS DRAFT UKRAINE RESOLUTION AT UN

Russia submitted a draft resolution on Ukraine at the Security Council Thursday demanding that the United Nations play a greater role in resolving the crisis, and accused Kiev of using white phosphorus.

Russian ambassador Vitaly Churkin said he introduced the draft at closed-door consultations that focused on Iraq, adding that it had been met with "some support" and "some suggestions."

He said it "updated" a June 2 measure -- that received a cool response from the Security Council -- and called for an immediate end to the violence, a sustained ceasefire and greater UN involvement in efforts to broker a solution.

Currently chaired by Swiss President Didier Burkhalter, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe has been at the forefront of attempts to try to resolve the crisis.

In May, the OSCE drew up a plan to help bring the pro-Western Kiev authorities and pro-Moscow militants in the southeast to the negotiating table but no progress has been made in several rounds of dialogue that excluded the armed separatists.

Russia wants UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to support OSCE efforts to implement the road map and launch dialogue "involving all political forces and regions of the country," Churkin said.

It is "important for the Security Council to play a role and for the United Nations to increase its role in trying to settle the situation in Ukraine and to stop violence," he said.

Diplomats say Russia's earlier Ukraine draft was at least partly partly a bargaining chip as the West scrambles to avoid Moscow vetoing a resolution on enforcing humanitarian access in Syria.

Churkin denied there was any relation when questioned Thursday.

Moscow has accused Kiev of using prohibited munitions, but Churkin said there were "reports" for the first time that Ukraine was using white phosphorus munition in the fighting.

"We are very disturbed about it," he said.

Russian news agencies quoted Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying there had been attempts from Ukraine to depart from the principles stipulated in the roadmap.

"The lack of any progress whatsoever in efforts to stop the violence and halt military operations... is causing increasing concern," he told reporters.

Lavrov also called for a probe into allegations that the ex-Soviet country was using banned weapons.

"Reports about the use by Ukraine's armed forces of incendiary bombs and other banned non-selective weapons are a cause for special concern," he added. "These reports should be verified as soon as possible."


Source : Sapa-AFP /gm
Date : 12 Jun 2014 23:24
 
Azov battalion fighting in Mariupol today, these guys are fascists. They are using an armored garbage truck :D

[video=youtube;SChFnwu3QSI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SChFnwu3QSI[/video]
 
Illarionov’s Ten Theses on Putin’s Aggression in Ukraine

Just a side note, Illarionov is Putin's former economic policy advisor

Andrey Illarionov delivered an address to a May 31st Vilnius meeting of the Committee on Economics and Security of NATO’s Parliamentary Assembly in which he discussed ten theses on the nature and meaning of Vladimir Putin’s aggression in Ukraine and what the West must do to counter it.

The Russian analyst posted the text of his remarks on Ekho Moskvy yesterday with the title “The Fourth World War.” Below, in summary fashion, are his ten theses.

· First, he said, what is taking place is not a Ukrainian issue but “a war of Russia with Ukraine. Or more precisely, Putn’s war against Ukraine.”

· Second, this conflict is not a new cold war. It is something else. During the Cold War, no European country annexed part of another or introduced personal sanctions on officials and allies of the other side. Instead, Illarionov says, what is now occurring is a real war.

· Third, it is wrong to say as many Western analysts do that this conflict disturbed what had been good relations between Russia and the West up until only a few months ago. That is nonsense. Putin began his foreign aggression in August 2008 when he invaded Georgia. The Kremlin leader did not face a new Saakashvili when he decided to invade Ukraine. And consequently, it must be recognized that “independent of any specific personality, such a country can become the object of Russian aggression.”

· Fourth, the way in which Putin been acting in Ukraine has its antecedents in the Soviet occupation of the Baltic countries inn 1940 and even “strictly speaking” in the Bolshevik coup d’etat in 1917.

· Fifth, Ukraine since gaining independence in 1991 has undergone “a process of graduated but extremely rapid political Westernization,” which has sometimes taken the form of Ukrainianization but has contributed to “the spread of Western institutions to an ever larger part of Ukraine,” something Vladimir Putin cannot tolerate.

· Sixth, Putin’s aggression did not happen “accidentally” or suddenly and should not have been unexpected. He had been preparing to seize Crimea and subvert Ukraine for some years.

· Seventh, Putin’s plan involves operations at three levels – against Ukraine, for the establishment of “the so-called ‘Russian world,’” and against the West – to force Ukraine to subordinate itself to Moscow, to restore a Russian empire and to divide Europe from the US and Britain over issues of relation with Moscow.

· Eighth, this war is “an unconventional war,” and those who want to win it must recognize that reality.

· Ninth, the West must develop a strategy to oppose what Putin is doing. It must recognize that this is a war, that Putin is the aggressor, that the West must admit its past mistakes, and that it reach agreement on how to act not just now but over the long haul.

· And tenth, the West must not only update its strategy but redefine the nature of aggression given the growing importance of “information, disinformation, and propaganda” in the conflict.

http://www.interpretermag.com/illarionovs-ten-theses-on-putins-aggression-in-ukraine/
 
Interesting point to note on Russian strategies.

The intelligence agencies' inability to predict the latest crisis in Iraq is likely to fuel critics of the Obama administration's management of other global crises, including in Syria and Ukraine. In the case of Russia's seizure of Crimea, in which U.S. spies were also caught by surprise, sophisticated electronic eavesdropping systems run by the National Security Agency were of little use because Russian forces limited their time on telephones and adopted the techniques of jihadists, sending couriers back and forth between their units.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/06/12/jihadist_gains_in_iraq_blindside_american_spies
 
Do Putin’s Moves Reflect Russian Military’s Dependence on Ukraine’s Military Industry?

Staunton, March 24 – Vladimir Putin may have moved against Ukraine because the Russian military is dependent on Ukraine’s military industry if the Kremlin leader is to achieve his plans to launch a broader world war, a conclusion that if true both suggests the directions of Putin’s next moves and the best ways in which Kyiv can counter them.

The Gorenshin Institute in Kyiv says that an article that appeared in Moscow’s Sovershenno Sekretno magazine in late February provides the basis for such conclusions. The detailed article itself by Vladimir Voronov is here.

Specifically, the Kyiv analysts say that the article suggests the following conclusions. First, they say, “it seems that the Russian leader is seriously preparing for a third world war,“ given the size and nature of Moscow’s recent purchase orders from its own military-industrial complex.

Second, they conclude, the idea that “Ukraine’s defense industry depends on Russia “is wrong.” On the contrary, the Russian military industrial complex at the strategic level “is highly dependent on Ukraine” and its military industry for key production. Without that production, Russian firms cannot deliver what Putin seeks.

Third, given that potential problem, Moscow viewed and views the possibility of Ukraine’s association with the EU and rapprochement with NATO as steps that put not just Russian national dignity at risk but put “in jeopardy” the goals of Russian defense enterprises. Consequently, the Kremlin concluded that it must control Ukrainian military plants “at all costs.”

And fourth, the Gorenshin Institute says, “the geography of the Ukrainian defense enterprises, with which Russia links its strategic doctrine, strikingly coincides with the geography of the points of instability in Ukraine … some forces in these regions are creating the prerequisites for legitimizing the annexation of the regions based on the Crimea scenario.”

Moreover, the institute points out, many of these firms are not in eastern Ukraine. “A high concentration of such objects” is to be found in Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital. And for good measure, the experts suggest that some Russian military experts believe that “Russia may be interested” in seizing Ukraine to gain access to its manpower reserves.

There are three reasons the original Sovershenno Sekretno article was ignored or dismissed out of hand. First, a month ago it seemed highly improbable to many that Putin was actually interested in prosecuting a wider war and challenging the West so openly. Now, those possibilities seem far less far-fetched.

Second, the enormous detail offered by the article concerning the way in which the Russian defense industry actually works and how dependent it is on plants in Ukraine and other neighboring countries overwhelmed many readers who have forgotten that Stalin located the defense industry in this way to tie the country together.

And third, many commentators have been so busy talking about the decay or incompetence of Ukrainian military production facilities that they have ignored similar problems in the Russian Federation and in the ways the latter is dependent on the former, despite all of Moscow’s bombast.

It is certainly the case that the scenario offered by Voronov a month ago and discussed now by the Gorshenin Institute in Ukraine still seems improbable. It appears Putin plans and hopes to get what he wants without war because if he is planning for a larger one, it is a conflict that he and his country will certainly lose.

But even if that is the case, this analysis is useful. It tells the Ukrainian authorities what Russia cares about most and consequently where Russian forces are likely to move, either covertly or overtly in the coming days and weeks. And knowing that, Kyiv is in a much better position to defend its interests or at least deny key facilities to Putin’s forces.

http://www.interpretermag.com/do-pu...rys-dependence-on-ukraines-military-industry/

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Russia is only dependent on Ukraine in the military-industrial sphere because of legacy arrangements. They kept ties to help Ukraine, who supply some parts - and engines for helicopters. Soon Russia will simply do it themselves and Ukraine will lose the revenue.
 
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