How To: Move your Homeloan

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This question has popped up quite a bit, so here's to hoping it will help a few forumites.

1. Getting a quote from a different bank:

You will have to apply at the other banks for quotes. Some will be willing to give you the loan, others will refuse. Depends on your luck and financial standing. You can also try to negotiate with them. They call it a motivation.

Personal experience: I has an interest rate of 8.25% at my old bank. Rival banks offered 8.10%. I declined until eventually they offered 7.95%.

2. Accepting the quote and the paperwork:

This is the cumbersome part. You will need to send in your personal documents (ID, bank statements, proof of marriage etc) once again, and will have to meet will the lawyers to have new bond documents created and signed. Keep in mind, it also takes 3 months to cancel your current bond if you want to avoid penalties. So I suggest you do this personally.

Personal experience: My bond is registered in both my and the SO's name. Therefore we both had to present in front of the attorney and sign the documents. The only work Monday to Friday and will not meet after hours. SO it's a huge pain if both of you are working. Once all the paperwork is completed, the attorneys do the rest until your account is opened. Contact the bank for the account details.

3. The Cost:

In a normal case, you will be liable to the costs of the bond attorney and the cancellation costs of the old bond to be paid to the attorney as well. If you are lucky the bank will cover some of these costs. You will have to negotiate. Also, you have to pay a bond initation fee, non negotiable. basically:

*Roughly R9 000 for bond attorney fees
*Roughly R3 000 for the attorney to cancel the old bond
*R5700 bond initiation fee

Personal Experience: I did not have to pay for any of the bond attorney costs. I only paid for the attorney to cancel my bond with the previous bank. I also paid the bond initiation fee.

Tips:

1.Negotiate for the best rate possible. You have nothing to lose.
2. Request an attorney on the banks panel that you know. They will assign him to you. Do this as soon as you accept the quote.
3. If you do not know any attorneys, request an attorney that will physically come to you to get documents signed.
4. Get the bank to pay the bond attorney costs. If they agree, you will still have to pay the cancellation costs.
5. Take out a flexi bond so you can deposit and withdraw money and save on interest.

Remember it will cost around R15 000 - R17 000 to move your bond. But if you get a decent interest rate, you will definely make that money back in interest savings.
 
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What a ball ache. Do you by any chance know of any companies that you can pay to do this on your behalf?
 
You'll need quite a big bond or a significant saving to make this one worthwhile.

On R7000/pm the difference between 7,95% and 8.25% over 20 years is only R840002-R821532=R18470... so you're barely breaking even!
 
Does not compute.

That's the difference in how much you could pay off in 20 years from R7000/pm.

Taking it from another perspective:
R821532 can be paid in 240 months @ 8.25%.
R821532+R18470 can be paid in 240 months @7.95%.

The extra R18k now nukes everything you could have saved by paying off 1 year earlier.

If you intend to pay off the loan earlier anyway, you might just have pushed R18k extra into the loan and have had the same effect. The only difference is that you have practically 0 admin, don't piss off the bank, and don't enrich a bond attorney.
 
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Now it makes more sense.

Yeah unless the deal was really spectacular it would also just throw more money at it and pay it off faster as I'm doing now.

I despise banks.
 
You'll need quite a big bond or a significant saving to make this one worthwhile.

On R7000/pm the difference between 7,95% and 8.25% over 20 years is only R840002-R821532=R18470... so you're barely breaking even!

Let's take look it like this, and we not even using the compounded interest method:

R1 million at 8.25% = R82500 interest per year
R1 million at 7.95% = R79500 per year

R82500 - R79500 = R3 000 saving per year. So after 5 years you break even on what you spent to move it. Makes total sense to me.

FNB Flexi facility has enabled me to recover most of my outlay in just 6 months. My savings sits in my bond account and I save R2000 interest per month.
 
Let's take look it like this, and we not even using the compounded interest method:

R1 million at 8.25% = R82500 interest per year
R1 million at 7.95% = R79500 per year

R82500 - R79500 = R3 000 saving per year. So after 5 years you break even on what you spent to move it. Makes total sense to me.

FNB Flexi facility has enabled me to recover most of my outlay in just 6 months. My savings sits in my bond account and I save R2000 interest per month.
In this case the compouning is important as the cost of 15k is a cost you pay now when you transfer the bond and saving 3k per year over 5 year is not equal to paying 15k now, you need to take into account the effect of compounding.

That issue aside moving may be a better option, using your example of 1 Mil @ 8.25% gives a pmt of R8,520.66. At a rate of 8.05% that is equal to a PV of 1,014,902. So if your rate decrease by more than 0.2% you will save more than what it cost you to move, that is however only true when you have 240 payments remaining, the shorter the remaining portion of the term the lower the saving from the reduced rate, at 10 years remaining the rate should decrease by about 0.5% for it to be more beneficial to move.
 
Another way of looking at it is as inflation. R15k today is not 'worth' R15k tomorrow.
Inflation tends to be lower than your interest rate, but it has a similar effect.

R15k at 7% inflation means your R15k would've been R22.5k after 5 years, so the R3k payment isn't enough to cover it in 5 years. You need that compound calculation.
 
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In this case the compouning is important as the cost of 15k is a cost you pay now when you transfer the bond and saving 3k per year over 5 year is not equal to paying 15k now, you need to take into account the effect of compounding.

That issue aside moving may be a better option, using your example of 1 Mil @ 8.25% gives a pmt of R8,520.66. At a rate of 8.05% that is equal to a PV of 1,014,902. So if your rate decrease by more than 0.2% you will save more than what it cost you to move, that is however only true when you have 240 payments remaining, the shorter the remaining portion of the term the lower the saving from the reduced rate, at 10 years remaining the rate should decrease by about 0.5% for it to be more beneficial to move.

Agreed. I think it depends on the situation. I will more than likely no close my bond given that I have a god interest rate, even if I pay it up before hand. By the way, my outlay was only R5700, the bank paid the rest. But most clients would not get such a deal, which is why I did not mention it.
 
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