The Elections Thread - 7 May 2014

Which party you will vote for in the 2014 election?

  • ANC

    Votes: 13 2.8%
  • DA

    Votes: 379 81.9%
  • COPE

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • EFF

    Votes: 14 3.0%
  • FF+

    Votes: 13 2.8%
  • IFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • NFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • ACDP

    Votes: 5 1.1%
  • AGANG

    Votes: 8 1.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 27 5.8%

  • Total voters
    463
DA 'FOOD FOR VOTES' MOTION DISMISSED

A DA application seeking to interdict the SA Social Security Agency (SASSA), from distributing food parcels before the elections was dismissed by the High Court in Cape Town on Friday, the social development department said.

"It has been the DA's accusation that Minister Dlamini through SASSA has been buying votes by distributing social relief of distress (food parcels)," spokeswoman Lumka Oliphant said in a statement.

She said the court dismissed the Democratic Alliance's application with costs.

Minister Bathabile Dlamini hailed the court's decision as a victory for the poor, saying her department always maintained that poor and vulnerable South Africans had a constitutional right to receive aid.

"We have maintained that we will not stop distributing to our people social relief of distress because we have an election."


Source : Sapa /mjs/th/lp
Date : 02 May 2014 17:01
 
Yep, I was hoping that they would count the overseas votes and publish the results before 7 May. Alas, now I think those votes will get lost in a post office strike and we'll never know the outcome.

You do realise that the ballot boxes are flown back here via special courier, right? No post office involvement.
 
You do realise that the ballot boxes are flown back here via special courier, right? No post office involvement.

I did not know that, but I struggle to believe anything that the ANC government says, and following the public protector's finding on the IEC I don't have much more faith in them either.
 
I did not know that, but I struggle to believe anything that the ANC government says, and following the public protector's finding on the IEC I don't have much more faith in them either.

Yup, the IEC is a branch of the ANC and I dont trust them one bit.
If the ballots were interfered with who would know?
Do the opposition parties sit with the boxes? I doubt it
 
Time to ditch Mandela’s party

TWENTY years after the new South Africa emerged from the quagmire of apartheid to vote for the first time by universal franchise for a parliament, the African National Congress (ANC) is sure to win yet again (see article). The parliament elected on May 7th is in turn virtually certain to reappoint Jacob Zuma as the rainbow nation’s president. Yet both the ANC and Mr Zuma have been heading the wrong way. They have let down Nelson Mandela. They no longer deserve to rule.

Jacob Zuma
Judged over the past two decades, the ANC has undeniable achievements to its credit. Thanks in large part to the magnanimity of Mandela but also to other ANC leaders, the transition from white-minority to black-majority rule was miraculously smooth. A confident and impressive black middle class has emerged. At the other end of the scale, the proportion of South Africans living in absolute poverty has declined from 41% in 1994 to 31% at last count, according to the World Bank. Many millions more have decent housing, electricity and drinkable water. The economy has grown at an annual average of 3.3% since 1994, a little slow by emerging-market standards but hardly disastrous.

Yet the negatives have been steadily piling up. The presidency of Thabo Mbeki (1999-2008) was marked by increasing intolerance, including a readiness to resort to racially tinged abuse, that began to permeate the ANC. Among other failings, the woeful denial of the HIV/AIDS plague by Mr Mbeki and other ANC leaders caused untold needless misery and death. Mr Zuma, in charge since 2009, has a sunnier temperament and a cannier political sense than Mr Mbeki. He could have pushed through tricky reforms, but he has lacked the vision and courage to get much done.

Two particular scourges have worsened under his rule: the lack of jobs and the spread of corruption. The number of unemployed South Africans, now a third of the working-age population if you include those who have given up looking for jobs, has risen sharply under Mr Zuma. The economy has stagnated at a time when the rest of Africa is starting to boom. And corruption is growing apace. The ANC gives the impression that South Africa is a de facto one-party state where only its friends should get the plum jobs and contracts. Mr Zuma himself is sorely tainted by scandal and dodgy friendships. In addition, mindful of the menace to the ANC of Julius Malema, a racist firebrand who has set up a populist splinter group, Mr Zuma has felt obliged to match him with legislative proposals that if enacted would put off much-needed investors.

Today the ANC pretends to be all things at once while resting on the laurels of liberation. Unless it undergoes its own drastic reform and rebirth, which seems unlikely but not inconceivable, South Africa would be better off if the party were to split in half. Voters would then have a real choice between a socialist party, backed by trade unions and communists, and a social-democratic, market-friendly one.

Meanwhile the party with the best ideas is the liberal Democratic Alliance (DA), the main opposition, which is led courageously by Helen Zille, a white former anti-apartheid activist. The DA deserves to be endorsed. It has doggedly promoted non-racial and liberal values and sensible economic policies. It has a decent record in government as the party that has run the Western Cape province since 2009, and the city of Cape Town for several years longer. And it stands for many of the hopes and values of the post-apartheid black middle class. Sadly, although the DA has been gaining ground, it has no chance of winning. Because it depends on support mainly from whites and citizens of mixed-race and Indian descent, it is unlikely to get much more than a fifth of the vote.

This means that the ANC will probably be in power for at least another ten years. Without Mandela his party has lost its way. Unless it reinvents itself or splits, South Africa will increasingly flounder under its rule.

http://www.economist.com/news/leade...-deserves-time?frsc=dg|a&fsrc=scn/tw_app_ipad
 
Yup, the IEC is a branch of the ANC and I dont trust them one bit.
If the ballots were interfered with who would know?
Do the opposition parties sit with the boxes? I doubt it

Of course they do. Aside from external observers every party has people watching over things. There is no evidence whatsoever that the IEC is compromised by the ANC. At least one of the IEC main commisioners is an ex DA shadow minister.
 
Spoil my ballot or vote without belief?

This person sounds like a typical ANC voter - disgusted with the ANC but will find any reason not to vote for an opposition party.

I stand before you as a 19-year-old South African conflicted about voting in the coming elections, writes Farai Mubaiwa.

Durban - “The power to change the nation lies in your hands” someone once told me. These words of encouragement were furthered by politicians, and even ordinary citizens throughout my years. They painted the “right to vote” with colours of absolute freedom, passion and change.

Moreover, they perpetuated this image through our schooling systems by constantly reminding us that since we are the “born-frees” of this land, then we are the ones who can ultimately continue the legacy that our freedom fighters fought for. They lied to us.

Or rather, they omitted vital information. They did not tell us that this right to vote would comprise debate between apathy, compromise or rebellion.

The reality is that the South African youth are discontented. We are disappointed with the lack of quality, transparent and accountable political parties; dismayed at the behaviour of our so-called political leaders in Parliament, and disgusted at the disregard for the needs of the public.

I stand before you as a 19-year-old South African girl conflicted about voting in the coming elections. Like many of the disgruntled youth, I do not believe that any of the political parties participating in this election can implement the necessary changes that are needed in South Africa.

Voting for the first time is as important as losing one’s virginity. It is my voting virginity – my voginity.

Should I save my voginity for the right political party, or should I simply compromise for the sake of using my voginity and hope that my vote will impact society positively?

A survey by Pondering Panda conducted in July last year, indicates that 23 percent of youth (18-34 years of age) do not plan on voting, as most feel there is no one worth voting for, or that voting will not change the nation.

I concluded that the youth are considering three options.

Either not voting, which places us in the “apathetic” category, and means that every time we complain about the state of the nation, comments like “Well, it’s not as if you voted to change things” will fly towards us – and rightfully so.

Furthermore, our freedom fighters fought for the right for all to vote, and many youth are conflicted with the idea of not exercising this right.

Our second option is to compromise by voting for the closest party that represents our ideals.

However, is the culture of compromise and not taking a stand, not the reason why our government openly lacks accountability and transparency?

And lastly, we as the youth can rebel by spoiling the ballot.

The spoiling of the ballot is seen as a legitimate vote in itself, and has been a concept widely debated by many universities.

The ANC, which played such a major role in the fight for freedom in the apartheid era, has failed the people of this land dismally.

The scandalous Nkandla debacle, which cost taxpayers an estimated R264 million, which our “Excellency” President Jacob Zuma continues to deny and refuses to pay back the money.

Furthermore, this Nkandla scandal is not the only despicable scandal of selfishness and disrespect that the ANC has involved itself in over the years.

We live in a society where nepotism, corruption and dishonesty run rampant. A government that fails to fulfil its mandate to protect and cater for the needs of its people is bad enough. But a government that not only fails its mandate, but also steals from the same people who voted it into power, and moreover insinuates that citizens are “stupid” by constantly denying accusations and yet repeating the same actions over and over again, is simply disgusting.

The youth have also become disheartened with the opposition parties.

The DA, once a party with so much hope and determination, has began to disappoint.

Most students at Stellenbosch University were deeply dismayed earlier this year when Helen Zille addressed them and attempted to connect with students using the “cool” approach, by sharing stories of her dress fittings, favourite days of the year and dinner with the president.

As students we enjoy discussing “fun” topics; however, when it is time to discuss important matters, political leaders should address us as they would other working individuals.

Agang SA also deeply disappointed many youth. The party with a passionate, stimulating and highly intellectual orator seems to have gone under the radar since the failed coalition with the DA.

Many believed that Agang alongside the DA was the way forward, and rejoiced when the parties merged, but were infuriated when political pride resulted in a split.

Furthermore, it angered many of the youth that Ramphele made many unilateral decisions and failed to consult with the very supporters who believed in her.

The EFF is the EFF; the party with interesting concepts and some excellent analysis in their mandate, but with a leader who is similar to George Orwell’s Snowball.

So who exactly are we left with? Well, the minority parties of course – Cope, the third cousin of politics who shows its face at family events once in a blue moon.

In all honesty, I am unsure about what my actions will be on May 7.

I have thus decided that I have only two options: rebel by spoiling the ballot, or to compromise by voting.

Spoiling the ballot is still a vote in itself. It is in fact a powerful vote that demonstrates the frustration of the people with the quality of our political leaders and parties. But would it really stir up a political debate and governmental concern?

And if I take this stand, who will listen, after all?

Surely, the winning party will be in power and will have no direct obligation to cater to my demands, seeing I did not vote for them?

And if I do compromise, will I vote to choose the next best thing to my ideal party, or will I vote simply to keep a certain party out of power?

Does my compromise really reveal my passion for South Africa?

I cannot seem to find a “right” answer.

All I know right now is that if I lose my voginity, I must be satisfied with my decision and it should be the decision which I believe is best for the progress of our nation.

As Alan Paton said “Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that’s the inheritor of our fear”.

In view of the disgruntled youth, I say: Cry, the beloved country for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our confusion, our dismay, our corrupt and nepotistic government.

Cry, the beloved country.

Cry.

* Farai Mubaiwa was born in 1994 and is in her second year of a B.Accounting degree at Stellenbosch University.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/spoil-my-ballot-or-vote-without-belief-1.1682851#.U2SNB4GSx8E
 
Instead of spoiling your vote or voting for a lesser party, can you not for the da then let them go head to head with eff. Seeing as jz doesnt want to debate with hz I see that as a coward
 
Instead of spoiling your vote or voting for a lesser party, can you not for the da then let them go head to head with eff. Seeing as jz doesnt want to debate with hz I see that as a coward

Zuma will not debate Zille because he's got no votes to gain doing so. Why don't people get this? It's like accepting a gambling match where you have 80% of the pot and your opponent only 20%, it is idiotic to play such a game. The gains are just too slim to bother.
 
Zuma will not debate Zille because he's got no votes to gain doing so. Why don't people get this? It's like accepting a gambling match where you have 80% of the pot and your opponent only 20%, it is idiotic to play such a game. The gains are just too slim to bother.

I very much disagree. But then again, thats my opinion.
 
I seriously do not know why us new generation kids born on 1994 are called the "born-free's". Yes, I get the idea behind the name, but I do not think we deserve all the credit.

I do not think spoiling a vote will make a difference. I do agree that politicians in this country are all about looking after themselves and not the people. I feel that there is no party that actually cares about the poor people. But that does not mean now that I will not go and vote - if you do not vote, you cannot complain. I am not happy with what the ANC is doing - they have become way too comfortable, and they are spreading gravy amongst themselves. So I have decided I will vote for the largest opposition - that being DA.

If people are not happy with what is happening, at least go and vote for change.
 
Here is hoping Agang, EFF and all the other new parties (Ubuntu, WASP, etc) get up to 16% so as to get the ANC under 50%...

Would be the best thing that can happen to SAfrica...

Maybe (much) too optimistic, but anything is better than 5 more ANC years...
 
Last edited:
Here is hoping Agang, EFF and all the other new parties (Ubuntu, WASP, etc) get up to 16% so as to get the ANC under 50%...

Would be the best thing that can happen to SAfrica...

Much more likely to happen in 2019 with NUMSA launching its new workers party etc.
 
I am actually interested in seeing how the DA will perform in this election, and I would like to see how EFF will perform and compare them to COPE's performance. I am not too interested in Agang, but it would be nice to see how her political party performs.

I do think ANC's voting numbers will decrease this year....but if there was some way, I would love to see where their "lost votes" went to - what percentages of the lost votes went to which political parties. I hope such data will be prepared, somehow :)

Yeah I am voting DA because I do want to see change. I do not necessarily believe in everything they are doing, and some of the actions they have taken, but they the only party I feel my vote for change will make the biggest difference.
 
Here is hoping Agang, EFF and all the other new parties (Ubuntu, WASP, etc) get up to 16% so as to get the ANC under 50%...

Would be the best thing that can happen to SAfrica...

Maybe (much) too optimistic, but anything is better than 5 more ANC years...

Yeah, I am expecting ANC to get to a really low 50% if not below 50%. If this is the case, it would mean that we would see a change perhaps in 10 - 20 years time??
 
Poll sees thumping election victory for ANC

A new poll has predicted the ANC will win another landslide victory in Wednesday's general election, handing Jacob Zuma another presidential term.

Pollsters Ipsos on Friday predicted that the ANC will garner around 63% of the vote.

While comprehensive that would be just short of the two thirds majority needed to change the Constitution and a slight drop from the 65.9% won in 2009.

“There is no doubt about which party will win the election,” Ipsos said, releasing its final poll before the May 7 vote.

“However, this is still the most hotly contested election since 1994.”

Ipsos – which polled 3 730 people in February and March – said that in some provinces the ANC would see its lead eroded.

Ipsos predicted the opposition Democratic Alliance would get 22% of the vote, up nearly six percentage points from the last election and would retain control of the Western Cape.

The party is also seen doing well in Gauteng – which includes Johannesburg and Pretoria – and the Northern Cape getting more than 25% in each. – Sapa-AFP

http://mg.co.za/article/2014-05-03-poll-sees-thumping-election-victory-for-anc
 
YOU CAN FIRE GOVERNMENT: ZILLE

Voters have the power to fire government when they are not happy with the

level of service delivery they are getting, DA leader Helen Zille said on Saturday.

"Remember that in a democracy, the government is supposed to work for you," she told thousands of supporters at a rally at the Coca Cola Dome in Johannesburg.

"You hire it. And you can fire it. And we know how its done: You hire with your vote and you fire with your vote."

She said if government was doing its work properly, South Africa would attract more investments and the economy would grow faster to create jobs.

When a government became corrupt the economy declined, unemployment grew, poverty deepened and the powerful few got richer, she added.

"That is the sad story of our own country over the last five years. It dies not have to be this way," said Zille.

She said under President Jacob Zuma, the African National Congress had changed. Its leaders believed they would rule forever and so they had forgotten about the voters who put them in power.

Zille said the ANC had become arrogant because it believed that the voters would carry on voting for them, no matter what they do.

"Well, they are in for a big shock on Wednesday. Bazokothuka. Hulle gaan

groot skrik. Because everywhere we have been in South Africa the people

have told us the same thing. iANC Ayisafani," she said.

Zille called on South Africans to send the ANC a clear message on May 7.

She told the thousands at the rally that her party was the one that could bring about change.

She reminded people that where the DA governed, unemployment was at

its lowest.

"If you remember one thing when you go to vote... Unemployment is lowest

where DA governs. In the past five years, we created more jobs than any

other provinces, and we have cut corruption," she said.

Zille said since the party gained control of the Western Cape, unemployment was 12 percent lower than the national average and the matric pass rate had increased from 57 to 73 percent in the province.

"Seventy six percent of the Western Cape's budget is spent on service

delivery in poor communities."

She added that well over 99 percent of households in the province had

access to piped water, electricity and flushing toilets.

"And people are beginning to recognise this. That is why the biggest

association of shack dwellers in SA, Abahlali Basemjondolo, has endorsed the DA in this election. They know they get much better service where the DA governs," said Zille.

She said the upcoming election came down to two basic questions.

"Is SA a better place than it was five years ago? Is your life better than it was in 2009? For the majority of South Africans, the answer to both questions is no," she said.

Zille called on voters to stand with the party and see what it could do

in the next five years.


Source : Sapa /kn/gq
Date : 03 May 2014 13:56
 
WINNIE ARRIVES IN BEKKERSDAL

ANC veteran Winnie Madikizela-Mandela arrived at a rally in Bekkersdal, west of Johannesburg on Saturday.

The African National Congress's rally at the Bekkersdal sports ground began with the singing of the national anthem at around 1pm.

People in ANC gear, said to be marshals, stood about a metre apart in

front of a large crowd.

A podium had been set up.

Madikizela-Mandela is expected to address Bekkersdal residents at the rally.

The atmosphere was jovial, with ANC supporters, singing and dancing

ahead of the rally.

Not many could fit under a marquee that had been set up, and dozens

stood near it in the heat, some with umbrellas.

In March, the Democratic Alliance and the Bekkersdal Concerned Residents Association laid criminal charges against the ANC.

At the time Thabang Wesi, leader of the Bekkersdal Concerned Residents Association, said residents saw ANC "bodyguards" with weapons in the township shooting at unarmed people, mainly school pupils.

This was after an ANC delegation visiting the area were pelted with stones during a door-to-door campaign ahead of the May 7 general election.

Residents have reportedly warning the ruling party saying they would not be allowed to campaign in Bekkersdal unless Gauteng premier Nomvula Mokonyane apologised in person for her dirty votes remarks.


Source : Sapa /mar/gq
Date : 03 May 2014 13:43
 
Top
Sign up to the MyBroadband newsletter
X