Gratuities 'not expected' as some restaurants forego tips

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In the United States, customers are expected to add an extra 10 to 20 percent to their tab at the end of a meal - but increasingly restaurants are forgoing these tips.

Leaving a gratuity is de rigueur when dining out because pay for restaurant servers is so low.

While the US federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour, wait staff can legally be paid as little as $2.13 in some places. In New York, one of the most expensive US cities, salaries for waiters start at $5.00 per hour.

For wait staff, tips help bolster pay in line with other restaurant workers who don't receive gratuities.

However there is a new trend: Riki Restaurant in New York is one of a growing number of establishments eliminating tips by taking the unusual step of paying their staff higher wages.

"Riki Restaurant is now a non-tipping establishment," read notices at the popular Japanese eatery. "Tipping is not required nor expected."

The no-tip policy is especially being adopted by upscale restaurants, said Michael Lynn, a professor at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration.

Folding tips into the meal tab protects waiters from being shortchanged by the occasional tight-fisted diner, said Lynn, who specializes in issues related to marketing and consumer behavior.

It's seen as an issue of equity, as restaurants attempt "to equalize the pay between the front and the back of the house," he said.

A downside is the sticker shock that patrons sometimes suffer when browsing through menus that have tips factored into the prices.

"American customers tend to not think of the tip as an expense, and they don't really factor that into their assessment of how expensive a restaurant is," Lynn said.

"It makes a restaurant look more expensive than a restaurant that has 15 percent lower prices, but expects tips."

Gabriel Frem, owner of the upscale Brand 158 restaurant in the Los Angeles suburb of Glendale, also sees his establishment's no-tipping policy as a way to protect staff from the whims of diners.

"We interview and hire our employees, not the guest, and we expect to pay them, and be responsible for their actions," he said.

"If they do great, we keep them, and if they don't, we let them go.

"We don't want their pay to be at the mercy of a guest's random calculation, based on unpredictable factors."

As it turns out, tipping can vary wildly from guest to guest -- and not always because of the quality of the table service.

Some patrons withhold tips because they feel the server was not sufficiently cheerful ("I don't like her smile").

Others do so because they didn't particularly care for the food -- even if a meal's preparation is not under the control of the wait staff.

It's also a problem, Frem said, if workers don't know how much income they can count on from week to week.

"We want to ensure that they can pay their bills," he said.

Other managers say greater pay security in tip-less restaurant reduces turnover and improves morale.

The tipless restaurant is still a long way from becoming the norm, but some New Yorkers are beginning to warm to the idea.

"At first, I really thought that if a waiter was rude, I would want my discontent to be reflected in their tip," said Noel Warren, a young New Yorker who dines out at least twice a week.

"But then I thought, why would a waiter be disrespectful in the first place? Probably because he or she has lost faith that customers are going to tip well -- so why put in any effort?"

Warren mused that it might in fact be fairer to take the decision about tips out of the fickle hands of restaurant patrons -- which might even improve the table service that patrons.

"If they were properly compensated for their work, they might treat their customers better," Warren said.


Source : Sapa-AFP /avb
Date : 05 May 2014 11:47
 
It is one of those things where the waiter is expecting too much for what they are doing, I did it when I was 16 and I got like R200 per day in tips and that was 2000's

All it boils down to is don't mess up orders, know and recommend food and be friendly. If you don't get a tip, move on the next 4 people will tip for the one that does not.

In the states it is law to tip waiters, even if the service was crap

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/11539268/couple-arrested-for-not-tipping-waiter
 
At top notch restaurants that demand professionalism in their staff - sure, why not.

At Spur… probably not.

Top notch do make sense.

Spur - they'll try to keep their prices as low as possible (and the 500g ribs at 250g)... :p
 
At top notch restaurants that demand professionalism in their staff - sure, why not.

At Spur… probably not.

This I agree with. If the service is good, often I'll tip more than the customary ten per cent. Mess it up and I'll be asking for a discount on my bill.
 
I always tip 10% even if the waiter forgot my food.

I'll give more on smaller amounts or if the restaurant was empty/had too many waiters.

I find the whole situation uncomfortable though. Most waiters have some kind of superficial friendliness routine. I'd rather have something where all staff share in all tips.
 
I find the whole situation uncomfortable though. Most waiters have some kind of superficial friendliness routine. I'd rather have something where all staff share in all tips.

Which basically means the hardest working waitrons get paid the same as the laziest. How is that fair?
 
I always tip 10% even if the waiter forgot my food.

I'll give more on smaller amounts or if the restaurant was empty/had too many waiters.

I find the whole situation uncomfortable though. Most waiters have some kind of superficial friendliness routine. I'd rather have something where all staff share in all tips.

Socialism is bad, mkay.
 
lately waiters turn up their nose at 10%. Im like :wtf: what am I supposed to be tipping? it wasn't life changing or anything. it was bog standard. everything is very friendly, then they see 10% and then the smile disappears. so ill be all for this idea.
 
This has been a growing trend for years all over the world. I can recall eating in restaurants in London in the late 90s where this policy existed...
 
Which basically means the hardest working waitrons get paid the same as the laziest. How is that fair?

Let me tell you about fair... Miss X started a job of 12 hour shifts at News Cafe at R2 an hour. The contract stated all sorts of fees to be deducted, including the appointment contract fee. The manager flirted with favoured waitresses, so he allocated the busy areas to them. Miss X was allocated outside tables in the middle of winter, so had no tables. However, as a rule they 'all work together' and so she was working hard on the other allocated tables but received no compensation. After all the deductions and the breakage including full menu price of a dropped item, she walked out after two weeks with a grand total of R 0.

I just think it's poor management relying on the tip amount to indicate how good a job they are doing. If the issue is laziness, then the manager can still allocate tips differently, however it should result in dismissal of staff - not keeping them around for less.

Plus have you ever considered the kitchen staff? They get paid barely anything, but the person who does a machine's job is rewarded with possibly triple the amount when you've enjoyed their food.
 
Let me tell you about fair... Miss X started a job of 12 hour shifts at News Cafe at R2 an hour. The contract stated all sorts of fees to be deducted, including the appointment contract fee. The manager flirted with favoured waitresses, so he allocated the busy areas to them. Miss X was allocated outside tables in the middle of winter, so had no tables. However, as a rule they 'all work together' and so she was working hard on the other allocated tables but received no compensation. After all the deductions and the breakage including full menu price of a dropped item, she walked out after two weeks with a grand total of R 0.

I just think it's poor management relying on the tip amount to indicate how good a job they are doing. If the issue is laziness, then the manager can still allocate tips differently, however it should result in dismissal of staff - not keeping them around for less.

Plus have you ever considered the kitchen staff? They get paid barely anything, but the person who does a machine's job is rewarded with possibly triple the amount when you've enjoyed their food.

1. Even if your system was used, it still encourages the bare minimum of work ethic. Currently if you're awesome you get tipped awesome.

2. You don't need people skills or be presentable to be kitchen staff. Ideally customer facing staff needs both.
 
Top notch do make sense.

Spur - they'll try to keep their prices as low as possible (and the 500g ribs at 250g)... :p

Spur's prices are ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing low about them at all. And the quality isn't that great. I had the misfortune to end up at the Gallo Manor Spur last week. Sure the place was packed. I suppose that's what you get on the eve of one of those many public holidays. But I'd rather have had a chicken schnitzel from Riverside for a rand or two less. And the ribs? 600g for what seemed to be mystery meat (most certainly wasn't pork) for just under R120.

And the service was shocking. You bring all the food together, not two servings and a 5 minute wait before the remaining 2.

It isn't that I not only don't tip. I don't go there any more. The SO's sister can go get her chicken wings by herself.

My son, who is always up for a job during school holidays, has been working at a place that pays R20 for the shift. He was then getting a split from the waitresses because his job was being a runner. He still made more than the fixed amount he was getting at the froyo place he was working at. He did get a few tables of his own and his general impression is that there is a correlation between being able to swim and calculate 10%.

Then again, I think people tend to pay too much in tips. Obviously if you are a tip recipient your view will be somewhat different. I'm not too sure why we pay a tip on the amount including VAT. The other thing is why is the tip based on the bill? There is no difference in the effort in bringing JC le Roux or Moet.

Having a service fee built in makes sense.

But then again I have had dining experiences that have been made awesome by the waiters and waitresses. How do you deal with that? A tip in addition to the service charge?
 
What pisses me off is when I go to Spur to collect a phone order. Then the waiter gets the responsibility to bring you the bag with the food. They still expect to get tipped, and give you an offended look when you don't, which is every time.

For WHAT? Must I now tip the cashier at Spar as well?
 
What pisses me off is when I go to Spur to collect a phone order. Then the waiter gets the responsibility to bring you the bag with the food. They still expect to get tipped, and give you an offended look when you don't, which is every time.

For WHAT? Must I now tip the cashier at Spar as well?

Does anyone remember the trend to tip the person who bagged your groceries at a supermarket when you did "a big shop" ?

Somewhere between me leaving the country and returning that seems to have disappeared.
 
Does anyone remember the trend to tip the person who bagged your groceries at a supermarket when you did "a big shop" ?

Somewhere between me leaving the country and returning that seems to have disappeared.

Obviously before my time, because my parents never did it, nor did I see anybody else do it.
 
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