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Greetings

I thought it would be a productive idea to start a thread for our Community and the undergoing FIBRE project in Secunda

This Thread serves to provide means to communicate and ask questions regarding the 123Net Fibre that will be installed :D
 
Alex$The$Alien said:
Greetings

I thought it would be a productive idea to start a thread for our Community and the undergoing FIBRE project in Secunda

This Thread serves to provide means to communicate and ask questions regarding the 123Net Fibre that will be installed :D
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Thanks. I will join to answer any questions ;)
 
Hey Kalin

Good to hear from you again..I understand that you were given a 4K viewing experience with our friend. Amazing isn't it :D
 
My eyes popped out of my head the first time I was there and to be honest I am a little bit jealous:wtf:
 
I've got this exciting happy feeling like a kid when it's Christmas Eve looking at the gifts under the tree (which the content is usually known) but you have to wait a bit more before you can unwrap and play with it. :) :) :)
 
The Grinch said:
I've got this exciting happy feeling like a kid when it's Christmas Eve looking at the gifts under the tree (which the content is usually known) but you have to wait a bit more before you can unwrap and play with it. :) :) :)
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Didn't "The Grinch" steal all the christmas gifts XD
 
The impossibilities can become possibilities!

Today I sat down and thought to myself #%? what could we do with uncapped unthrottled unshaped PURE 5/10/100(international)/1000(local)1GBPS fibre?? . what would it mean in our lives? personally...... I would probably never stop youtubing.. for example with 10mbps up/down(symmetric) I might just start streaming my dota2 matches because The BADGER wants the world to see his bossness. I might start doing let's play vids on youtube...Because let's face it! with a 4mbps down / 512kbps up it's just too much PAIN to wait for uploads

I might just create an entire IP networked security system linked up to my PC to monitor what's going on around my house:confused:

I might just make plans for a bigass 4k tv, hook it up to my internet and getting IPTV for those lazy sundays.:D

I might just stream everything instead of waiting for a download overnight.:wtf:

A lot of my clients have been asking me about the price/speed plans and how it would apply to the average joe.

I thought about some scenarios, how it would affect people ranging from bachelors, serious gamers, families with kids going through school etc etc

Number 1. for the average joe, people with needs such as banking, email, browsing here and there or streaming radio stations(listening in on police scanners.. (yes you paranoid,curious, concerned folks out there that do this... ahem myself included:whistle:). people with basic needs for internet but are not heavy users or stuck to a strict budget. I would reccomend the 5mb down / 1mbps up @ R300pm for 12 months or R3600 once off then after it's free forever...

For the dudes/ladies like me (although not many ladies:whistle:) with the needs for some casual/pro gaming, streaming funny fail videos, game trailers, Anime, music videos, movies(please stop me now or this list will never end:love:) the 10mbps down / 10mbps up would be perfect. I myself would not hesitate to pay the R1500 construction fee once off and then R800pm for the ability to do what ever the hell I wish on the internet any time anywhere in my house. I would put every wireless device on my wifi and never deal with mobile data costs when I'm inside my private little oasis of internet. I would stream something random on youtube and keep the playlist on until I feel like playing some Dota2 or Battlefield 4, The console fiends out there with ps4s and xbones will benefit. they could just game with their friends online or together(social lives matter,friends matter, don't become an online presence) for the medium/heavy/addicted users this plan is perfectnessness

Then there is the 100mbps down/up for the Toms;) out there who want to suck the internet dry... streaming 4k on 4 tvs in the house while the kids play Wii online with their friends and the wife facbook gaming the crap out her tablet or laptop without some jitters or lags or buffers. I would recommend this plan only for the people with families that have a high usage need for internet. this plan of course counts for some of us nerdy types too. take this plan only if you have SUPER HUGE data usage needs because one person cannot possibly max out this internet speed AHEMMMM #TOM ;) R2000pm
 
Kalin Bogatzevski said:
Maybe you must ask quantic ;) as the correct wording should be "...or until 123NET operates its business."
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That still doesn't make any sense. So the wording would be "Free basic service will have 5/1 with R3600 construction fee guaranteed for 2 years or until 123NET operates its business."
So the question people keep asking me, and rather legitimately considering our country, is what happens after 2 years?
 
Swa said:
That still doesn't make any sense. So the wording would be "Free basic service will have 5/1 with R3600 construction fee guaranteed for 2 years or until 123NET operates its business."
So the question people keep asking me, and rather legitimately considering our country, is what happens after 2 years?
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Noone can guarantee what might happen in or after 2 years. Can you? I don't understand your concern about a free Internet product. What can we set as terms to make people happy? :) Free Internet Forever? No problem, but then you will ask what happens if we, for some reason, stop our operations. We have to set a limit and then renew it for another 2 years. South Africa is not USA. There a relatively the same service is guaranteed for at least 7 years. Maybe the Americans are also asking "what happens after 7 years"? :) Well, on our website that is described with "Includes free service guaranteed for at least 2 years per address". "AT LEAST", is not "FOR".
:)
 
Kalin Bogatzevski said:
Noone can guarantee what might happen in or after 2 years. Can you? I don't understand your concern about a free Internet product. What can we set as terms to make people happy? :) Free Internet Forever? No problem, but then you will ask what happens if we, for some reason, stop our operations. We have to set a limit and then renew it for another 2 years. South Africa is not USA. There a relatively the same service is guaranteed for at least 7 years. Maybe the Americans are also asking "what happens after 7 years"? :) Well, on our website that is described with "Includes free service guaranteed for at least 2 years per address". "AT LEAST", is not "FOR".
:)
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I understand contingencies for sure. But then we might as well dumb it down and ask what happens if 123Net stops operating after 1 month? By law there is already protection in that a company can't provide services after going out of business.

People are understandably being cautious as the wording leaves a lot of open questions. If it's simply for protection that's already covered by Ts&Cs. In fact a service period guarantee may actually go against that. People are asking what happens after 2 years? Will 123Net decide that you can't provide it any more? Will we be asked to pay for it? Will there be another construction charge?

If that's the case then it isn't really free and we'll just be paying for it upfront.
 
Swa said:
If that's the case then it isn't really free and we'll just be paying for it upfront.
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This is why you have the option of R300pm for 12 months.. you are not forced to once off the R3600

@Kalin, May I suggest a package option similar to the "free internet" package for example. R1500 Construction fee + Rx p/m for 5/5(no gigabit)

this may eliminate the concerns about the Free internet plan and remains a stable income for the company.. however don't replace the free option as some people may see the free internet plan as the best option for their needs .(someone like me for example with a save a penny sense. would prefer R3600 once off and never worry about bills or things like that. I currently pay R9540 per year for 4096 down and 512 up and I am capped so the R3600 once off doesn't sound like a loss to me) add it as an option for the more picky clients?

Thoughts?
 
Alex$The$Alien said:
This is why you have the option of R300pm for 12 months.. you are not forced to once off the R3600
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That still amounts to R3600. But what happens after the 2 years is what I'm being asked.

I have also suggested the option of higher upload speed for a paid option. Kalin has responded there would the option to make adjustments to the services but we don't know what those will be yet.
 
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Swa said:
That still amounts to R3600. But what happens after the 2 years is what I'm being asked.

I have also suggested the option of higher upload speed for a paid option. Kalin has responded there would the option to make adjustments to the services but we don't know what those will be yet.
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The 300pm is for 12 months and is not for the use of the net but only for construction. The usage is free. If the move after 2 years just get another isp since the fibre is not going anywhere. Even if they go I doubt they will legally be able to take the fibre out again.

If you pay the 3600 once off and they are dead after one month it is bad luck. If that is your fear then just pay the 300pm because you wont get any cheaper 5/1 lines from anyone in S.A. and after 12 months you can enjoy your more free internet while the rest pays 500pm plus and has to deal with uselesskom.

Dude it is a win win situation no matter wich way you look at it.
 
No one can tell the future though, so we cannot possibly know what will happen in two years time.

My point of view is like this. would you rather stay with telkom paying R9500/4mb adsl per year for the following two years amounting to R19000( and struggle with the service/billing/support )
or go over to a better quality source of internet running on fibre and pay R3600 for one year(once off) my logic dictates that if and ONLY IF 123net does not deliver said plan after two years..we can simply return to telkom because telkom isn't going anywhere soon(neither forward nor out of business)

apologies but I simply cannot see why this is a mood killer for some people? besides 123Net isn't going to steal your money. As Kalin clearly stated in our meeting, a scammer would ask for the money upfront. 123Net will be taking your money after the service is active

even if you pay the R3600 once off and the company tanks after two years you have paid for one year's service if you count R300x12 and the second year would cost you nothing.. In my humble opinion this is over the wall and beyond anything telkom could possibly offer. I would rather jump ship to fibre and pay less than stick with telkom and pay more just to give myself peace of mind regarding stability and what happens in two years. I could be dead, south africa's economy could tank, no one knows.. so while still possible I'd rather go forth and establish my private little Internet oasis
 
Henry.de.kock said:
The 300pm is for 12 months and is not for the use of the net but only for construction. The usage is free. If the move after 2 years just get another isp since the fibre is not going anywhere. Even if they go I doubt they will legally be able to take the fibre out again.

If you pay the 3600 once off and they are dead after one month it is bad luck. If that is your fear then just pay the 300pm because you wont get any cheaper 5/1 lines from anyone in S.A. and after 12 months you can enjoy your more free internet while the rest pays 500pm plus and has to deal with uselesskom.

Dude it is a win win situation no matter wich way you look at it.
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High 5 for this guy :D
 
Swa said:
That still amounts to R3600. But what happens after the 2 years is what I'm being asked.

I have also suggested the option of higher upload speed for a paid option. Kalin has responded there would the option to make adjustments to the services but we don't know what those will be yet.
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Swa ? I don't understand what you are on about , they cannot guarantee the service for more than 2 years , yes there is a risk to the consumer and the provider , yes it can happen 123net doesn't survive their 1st year of business , yes yes yes yes yes, the fact is these guys are rolling out fiber that is costing MILLIONS they are serious, they don't expect money from you until you are connected ? After 2 years anything can happen , they will asses the business model , make a decision if the free basic service is working as intended it to. At the moment nobody can give you the answer that you want as 123net themselves don't know what to expect after 2 years.
 
Henry.de.kock said:
The 300pm is for 12 months and is not for the use of the net but only for construction. The usage is free. If the move after 2 years just get another isp since the fibre is not going anywhere. Even if they go I doubt they will legally be able to take the fibre out again.

If you pay the 3600 once off and they are dead after one month it is bad luck. If that is your fear then just pay the 300pm because you wont get any cheaper 5/1 lines from anyone in S.A. and after 12 months you can enjoy your more free internet while the rest pays 500pm plus and has to deal with uselesskom.

Dude it is a win win situation no matter wich way you look at it.
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Dude I don't think you're seeing the problem. Yes the R3600 is claimed for construction. We can debate whether that is solely the case or not but that's not what concerns me and others. It's the 2 years guarantee so 123Net can stop the service after 2 years in which case it wasn't really free but just paid upfront for a fixed period.

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Swa ? I don't understand what you are on about , they cannot guarantee the service for more than 2 years , yes there is a risk to the consumer and the provider , yes it can happen 123net doesn't survive their 1st year of business , yes yes yes yes yes, the fact is these guys are rolling out fiber that is costing MILLIONS they are serious, they don't expect money from you until you are connected ? After 2 years anything can happen , they will asses the business model , make a decision if the free basic service is working as intended it to. At the moment nobody can give you the answer that you want as 123net themselves don't know what to expect after 2 years.
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And that is exactly the problem. I'm not just being pedantic here. When people see the 2 years guarantee in a country like ours the correct reaction is to jump to the conclusion that it won't be free after 2 years. We can debate whether that will be the case here or not but that is still the expectation. I showed it to my brother and when he read the 2 years part he just went meh and closed it. I suspect that is the reaction from a lot of people.
 
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