Turns out there was a good reason everyone warned me against Openweb

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DISCLAIMER: Yes, I was wrong to choose Openweb. That much is abundantly clear to me via my own experience with them as a service provider. I don't need 20 000 people posting replies on here telling me that I was wrong. If you're only here to post another "I told you so" reply to this thread, please don't bother because I will report your submission. I'd prefer replies that are actually relevant and contributory to the discussion at hand.

Sure I was getting 10mbps which was awesome, but only during the night.

During the daytime it's utterly prohibitive. There are 2 businesses here that run on this line (both are relatively new so we can't yet afford a business line). My business involves remotely accessing servers and on occasion, downloading some fairly large chunks of data over HTTP.

Had it not been for Openweb's shaping policy, I would have been perfectly happy to stay with them, but as it is, their shaping is so aggressive that I can't even access my Amazon Web Services control panel and I can't remote into any of the servers I have set up on AWS.

My business partner just informed me that one of our websites was down. Thank GOD I didn't cancel my MWeb subscription because having connected back on that account, I was easily able to access the server and fix the website within minutes.

The MWeb connection is only 4mbps but I'd prefer to take the slower line that actually allows me to do the things that I need to do during the day rather than the faster line that makes it impossible for me to achieve anything while the sun is up. People don't do business at night; they do it during the day, but with Openweb, I can't...

Openweb says "yes its shaped aggressively, but that's in our Ts & Cs so you knew about it when you signed up." which is a valid point, but to quote their Ts & Cs with regard to shaping on the home DSL line:

Shaping on the Home Uncapped accounts:

Shaping is applied as follows:

SERVICE CLASS LEVEL – Home Uncapped Shaped ADSL packages:

In general, shaping is most aggressively applied between 08:00 to 19:00. Between 19:00 and 22:00 shaping is generally relaxed as the network usually quietens down during these times. From 22:00 to 00:00 shaping is lowered even further, providing the network is not congested.

From 00:00 to 06:00 access is completely unshaped.

Shaping is only applied to bandwidth intensive protocols on the Home Uncapped service level. Some protocols will never be shaped no matter how much data is consumed. These are defined as follows:

Unshaped protocols:

Browsing/Emails/Google Services/FTP/Openweb Hosted Servers.

Shaped protocols:

Shaping is applied on three different priority levels. Low priority applications will receive the highest amount of shaping, where Medium and High priority applications will receive less shaping.


Low Priority Applications:

P2P torrents and similar/HTTP or HTTPS Downloads/File sharing Downloads/NNTP Downloads.


Medium Priority Applications:

Streaming VOD
Gaming
Security (VPN/DNS/PROXY)
File transfer/Windows DRP
Microsoft Windows /Apple/Linux updates
Other


High Priority Applications:
VOIP (Voice over IP)

It's quite clear that the line is aggressively shaped, but that shaping isn't quantified. "Aggressive" doesn't indicate to users to what extent the shaping will impact their service. I signed up for a 10mbps line but nobody told me that I wouldn't be able to use even 10% of that 10mbps for 10-12 hours every day!

Everybody told me its a bad idea to move to Openweb but nobody told me why exactly. If I'd known the account was to be shaped so badly, I wouldn't have moved in the first place...
 
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Lol... This pleases me after your childish response on the previous thread when someone warned you against this.

And I quote:

There really is no call for this kind of comment. I needed a faster line so I got one for a price I could afford. Not that I have to justify my choice to you.

I'd happily have stayed with MWeb actually but I can't afford the extra R600-R800 they'd have charged me for the same service and until you can pay for my internet on my behalf, you can keep your snide, condescending opinions about what I do with my own money to yourself thank you very much.
 
Everybody told me its a bad idea to move to Openweb but nobody told me why exactly. If I'd known the account was to be shaped so badly, I wouldn't have moved in the first place...

Uhm, no... You were told!

ghostR linked you to this thread: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/622747-The-truth-about-Openweb

The very first point in that thread:

1. All accounts get SHAPED and/or THROTTLED to death... Yet its clearly stated on their website you would never been THROTTLED. During the day my speed seldom exceed 40kbps on a 4mb account

http://businesstech.co.za/news/colum...idiculous-isp/

Your response to him?

Whether it was a good decision or not is irrelevant, I think. I needed faster internet and I got it. I got it for a minimal difference in cost to what I was paying.

Don't tell me its a crappy option if you think so; give me a better alternative for similar cost. This way, you'll at least be helpful

I'm not sure if you're a troll or not, but if you aren't, then you're getting exactly what you deserve...

Enjoy your calendar month notice at Openweb. If you cancel today, you'll still have to pay until the end of December :)

Lol... This pleases me after your childish response on the previous thread when someone warned you against this.

And I quote:

+1

Well spotted..
 
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Uhm, no... You were told!

ghostR linked you to this thread: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/622747-The-truth-about-Openweb

The very first point in that thread:



Your response to him?



I'm not sure if you're a troll or not, but if you aren't, then you're getting exactly what you deserve...



+1

Well spotted..

All ISPs shape and throttle their SHAPED connections so to tell me "you're gonna get shaped dude" as was the case in your quoted posts, was pointless.

Had someone told me "you won't be able to watch Youtube videos or RDP into remote machines and your download speed in general is going to be slower comparatively than a 56k modem from 1995" then that would have been enough to discourage me.

You don't ask a weather man what the weather's gonna be like tomorrow and expect "its going to be hot" as his response because you can't quantify that answer. I think it's getting hot only around 28deg C. Some people think its hot when its approaching 20 so when someone tells me "accounts are shaped to death", that means nothing to me because my experience tells me that most people over exaggerate and their "shaped to death" is normally "oh well I can still work with this" for me...

I stand by my response to him. It's utterly pointless telling me "this is crap" and then leaving it. If you're going to tell me that something isn't worth buying I expect you to explain to me WHY that is and offer me another option as the general assumption in such a case is that in telling me that x service is crap, your intent is to discourage me from buying the service in which case, what other service should I buy?
 
All ISPs shape and throttle their SHAPED connections so to tell me "you're gonna get shaped dude" as was the case in your quoted posts, was pointless.

Had someone told me "you won't be able to watch Youtube videos or RDP into remote machines and your download speed in general is going to be slower comparatively than a 56k modem from 1995" then that would have been enough to discourage me.

You don't ask a weather man what the weather's gonna be like tomorrow and expect "its going to be hot" as his response because you can't quantify that answer. I think it's getting hot only around 28deg C. Some people think its hot when its approaching 20 so when someone tells me "accounts are shaped to death", that means nothing to me because my experience tells me that most people over exaggerate and their "shaped to death" is normally "oh well I can still work with this" for me...

I stand by my response to him. It's utterly pointless telling me "this is crap" and then leaving it. If you're going to tell me that something isn't worth buying I expect you to explain to me WHY that is and offer me another option as the general assumption in such a case is that in telling me that x service is crap, your intent is to discourage me from buying the service in which case, what other service should I buy?

You could also ask why they find a certain ISP to be crap. "hey dude, why is XYZ ****ty, what experiences have you had?"
See? easy.

Your attitude sucks though, shame.
 
I honestly think the world would be a better place were it not for people who somehow manage to derive pleasure from the troubles, hardships and suffering of others...

Well, you were the one who asked for advice then proceeded to dismiss any advice that was given, and derisively too. So you kind of had it coming to you.

But yeah, I'm very glad I tried OW and managed to leave before it became needed for my work. If you're any more receptive to the whole 'asking the internet for advice' thing, try Crystalweb business uncapped.
 
The internet never forgets LoganY87.

It was last night;)

@OP you were given a link to a 60 page thread detailing the issues, instead of reading it you threw a hissy fit...

I don't take pleasure from your hardship, I wouldn't wish Openweb on my worst enemy, but your attitude and consequent tantrum is funny as hell!
 
Mod note: OP, what sort of response did you expect by creating this thread? Please don't cry wolf and report every post contrary to your opinion.
 
I'm not sure if you're a troll or not, but if you aren't, then you're getting exactly what you deserve...

Enjoy your calendar month notice at Openweb. If you cancel today, you'll still have to pay until the end of December :)

Can't agree more, OP is getting exactly what they deserve if they aren't just a troll.
 
Yeah, my brother used to be like the OP, asks me for advice, then ignores it and comes a cropper - he doesn't do it anymore.

OP, thanks for providing another reference thread we can point someone else to when they come asking if Openweb is a good option.
 
You could also ask why they find a certain ISP to be crap. "hey dude, why is XYZ ****ty, what experiences have you had?"
See? easy.

Your attitude sucks though, shame.

Coincidentally, a friend told me on facebook this morning that he's in the market for an upgrade on his line and asked if I had any recommendations for him. Here's EXACTLY what I told him

Me: I wouldn't go for Openweb, that's for sure. I got a 10mbps connection from them... Man do I regret it. ****ing thing's shaped so bad, I can't even get 100KB/s download speed... ON A 10mbps LINE!!!

Friend: Oh **** man

Me: not only that, but I have websites I need to work on hosted on my servers in the US... I can't get to those servers either...

Friend: cant u get hold of Openweb and tell them its too slow?

Me: I can, but I doubt they'll do anything because this is their shaping policy as laid out in their Ts & Cs

My point here is that he asked me for a recommendation and I told him he shouldn't go with Openweb and in addition to that, I made it clear to him WHY. I didn't tell him "they shape your line" because as I've said, thats a totally freaking useless comment to make. I detailed my Openweb experience to him and now he's not going to use them.

In a courtroom, if you're making a claim against someone, the burden of proof is on you. YOU have to prove the legitimacy of your claim. I extend that thinking to every day life as well and [apparently in error] to what other people tell me as well. If you're going to claim that x ISP is crappy, prove to me why they are. That's not a lot to ask is it?

I'm sorry that you feel that expecting more than bare minimum of other people means that I have a bad attitude but I can't be held responsible for how you feel about me so I guess you have to reconcile that on your own somehow.
 
Why actually start a new thread to discuss a bad experience with Openweb? There are many threads where you could comment that you also had a bad experience.

But you've got the attention now anyway. You're not going to get any advise here by the way.
 
Coincidentally, a friend told me on facebook this morning that he's in the market for an upgrade on his line and asked if I had any recommendations for him. Here's EXACTLY what I told him



My point here is that he asked me for a recommendation and I told him he shouldn't go with Openweb and in addition to that, I made it clear to him WHY. I didn't tell him "they shape your line" because as I've said, thats a totally freaking useless comment to make. I detailed my Openweb experience to him and now he's not going to use them.

In a courtroom, if you're making a claim against someone, the burden of proof is on you. YOU have to prove the legitimacy of your claim. I extend that thinking to every day life as well and [apparently in error] to what other people tell me as well. If you're going to claim that x ISP is crappy, prove to me why they are. That's not a lot to ask is it?

I'm sorry that you feel that expecting more than bare minimum of other people means that I have a bad attitude but I can't be held responsible for how you feel about me so I guess you have to reconcile that on your own somehow.

HAHAHA. dude. I don't even know what to say. your'e the man!
 
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