Racial quotas: Some questions for the DA

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Interesting interview between the IRR's Frans Cronje and the DA leader Mmusi Maimane...

The Democratic Alliance (DA) has announced plans to introduce racial targets/quotas across all structures of the party from its branches upwards. Forced racial targets have long been a primary ideological underpinning of African National Congress (ANC) policy making and an anathema to South Africa’s liberal tradition. Frans Cronje asked Mmusi Maimane’s office why the DA is doing this and what the implications for the long term policy positioning of the party will be.

FC: How will this quotas/targets policy work?

DA: This is still being designed and determined, so it would be premature to discuss details before they are adopted by the party’s executive. The overall objective is that we want all DA structures to be intentional about recruiting and mentoring excellent black activists, whom will feed through into the talent pool for the DA’s candidate selection process.

FC: Why has the DA introduced it?

DA: We want to introduce a greater number of black candidates into the DA’s pool of potential candidates, and as committed activists in communities across the country.

FC: How do you respond to the idea that it contradicts the party's long standing liberal heritage?

DA: We disagree. Asking our structures to spend more focused time on recruiting new, diverse candidates, is not the same thing as racial quotas. It is an extreme stretch of the imagination to suggest the two are the equivalent.

FC: Can you actually pull off a distinction between quotas and targets?

DA: Quotas are prescriptive, whereas targets are not. The objective is to ensure that, by 2019, our parliamentary and legislature caucuses, and our decision-making structures at all levels, reflect the diversity of our complex society.

FC: Surely if your policies were attractive to young people there would be no need for quotas?

DA: We reject quotas. In the same way that we have to actively work to win the support of voters, so we have to actively work to recruit a greater number of excellent black candidates. And what is not measured, will not be done, so we have to measure the progress we are making in achieving these goals.

FC: Does this step open the way to the DA endorsing racial quotas in other areas of South African life, such as sports quotas or employment equity targets?

DA: We do not endorse racial quotas, and never will.

FC: What enforcement mechanisms are you contemplating for branches and the like that fail to set or deliver on their quotas?

DA: The idea is that every structure, from branch level upwards, should set its own diversity targets, which may differ based on geography, demographics of an area, and current composition of the branch or other structure. They should then submit those targets to an appropriate reporting authority, which will assess their reasonableness. There may, and probably will be, different views about the reasonableness of some structures' targets, and the idea is to engage with the structure until both the structure and the reporting authority agree on exactly what is reasonable given the circumstances of that structure. However, once agreed, the structure should set in motion steps to achieve the targets. Progress towards the agreed targets would be one such measurement. It would hopefully not be necessary to intervene then at the last minute by imposing candidates: the whole idea is precisely to avoid that - to encourage potential candidates to be identified, recruited, motivated and involved, so that they emerge naturally through the selection process.

FC: Are you drawing a distinction between black-African and other black groups?

DA: The DA certainly does not want to re-impose race classification, so self-identification would appear to be a better way of achieving the diversity we want to see.

FC: How do you overcome the risk that this move aligns you ideologically quite closely to the ANC?

DA: There is no such risk associated with this decision. We are asking our structures to be intentional about recruiting more black activists and candidates, and we wish to measure their progress in this regard.

FC: If this move is indicative of the DA’s emerging thinking on redress and transformation, then why have you settled on racial quotas and not socio-economic benchmarks?

DA: We have not settled on racial quotas. We are asking our structures to be intentional about recruiting more black activists and candidates, and we wish to measure their progress in this regard.

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/racial-quotas-some-questions-for-the-da
 
DA: The DA certainly does not want to re-impose race classification, so self-identification would appear to be a better way of achieving the diversity we want to see.

Interesting....
 
This is a slightly better version of the kind of quotas that BEE imposes. BEE doesn't take geographic demographics into account, and attempts to have all businesses across the country adhere to the same quotas. This policy, then, will see more coloureds hired for a branch in a predominantly coloured area, for example.
 
DA becoming more race obsessed with every passing minute. Soon they will be on par with the ANC.
 
It's a freaking quota. Calling it something else doesn't change that.
FC: Can you actually pull off a distinction between quotas and targets?

DA: Quotas are prescriptive, whereas targets are not. T

The real question is: should you use race as a metric to evaluate the fitness of someone to do a particular job? In politics (especially in the non-racial utopia of the ANC), it will be a factor.
If you want someone to win a rugby game or design a circuit board, race shouldn't come into it unless you are willing to put some data to it (which is dangerously politically incorrect).
 
Shew, for someone usually so obsessed with the English language you've missed the boat this time.
They've explicitly said they want their party to reflect the demographics of the country. They are embarking on a system of hiring and developing people based on race. It's just a quota with slightly more nebulous success criteria. The underlying logic remains the same as a quota system.

Colour shouldn't be a factor in whether or not someone is suitable for an opportunity.

Give people equal access to opportunities but don't mandate that the outcomes be equal. That is lunacy.
 
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Come on Mmusi. Man up and call a spade a spade. Though, I suspects your followers will swallow this BS with glee.
 
They've explicitly said they want their party to reflect the demographics of the country. They are embarking on a system of hiring and developing people based on race. It's just a quota with slightly more nebulous success criteria. The underlying logic remains the same as a quota system.

Colour shouldn't be a factor in whether or not someone is suitable for an opportunity.

Give people equal access to opportunities but don't mandate that the outcomes be equal. That is lunacy.

Race does matter to the electorate through. Could you ever see the vast majority of the electorate voting in a white man as president? It simply isn't going to happen.
 
It's a freaking quota. Calling it something else doesn't change that.

Agree, the DA has always avoided the term when they have advocated quota-like policies. They have stipulated that everybody who wants a place at the DA needs to embrace policies like black economic empowerment, without mentioning quotas, and to get used to more black people being elevated in the DA. I know that they are targeting their market, it is easy to understand. The term, “quota”, is real and the party needs to acknowledge that their policies cover quotas.

This is what they had to say on sports, which they tweeted earlier this year,

If every child is provided with an equal opportunity & if structural racialised inequality is addressed, every team would reflect SA.

so how does one address structural 'racialised' inequality?

A quota is essentially,

The basic premise is to have demographics represented at all levels and aspects of the civilisation according to national statistics.
 
They've explicitly said they want their party to reflect the demographics of the country. They are embarking on a system of hiring and developing people based on race. It's just a quota with slightly more nebulous success criteria. The underlying logic remains the same as a quota system.

Colour shouldn't be a factor in whether or not someone is suitable for an opportunity.

Give people equal access to opportunities but don't mandate that the outcomes be equal. That is lunacy.

Quotas are mandated. You must get there.
Targets are just that, a target you strive for.

I'm not trying to say the DA is not mandating things behind the scenes and that this is all just word play, but if you read the article in that light it is a different picture. Like I'm forced to be in the office 40 hours a week, but the goal of being productive for 40 hours is an entirely different kettle of fish.

Perhaps the question should rather be, should this be a goal at all (regardless of how we get there)? At lower levels I would imagine it makes sense to have the leadership reflect the people there, we can all admit it is easier relating to one of your own (be that because of race, gender, status, etc). And you can see they want to really train and groom these people, so it's not just fluff for the sake of making the numbers look right like what we have in many companies. To me it seems like they exactly want to provide equal opportunity by recognising that some people have an advantage and hence want to give others training etc so that when it comes to selecting candidates for the higher levels everyone is equal.
 
The aim is the same but the approach is so much better than the ANC.

The DA wants to prepare and grow people of all backgrounds to enable them to stand as leaders in the party. The ANC just wants people doesn't matter if they have the skills or drive to fill positions.

If you want the springboks and Proteas to have more players of colour than start at primary school level and give them the opportunity to grow into a professional.
 
This is a slightly better version of the kind of quotas that BEE imposes. BEE doesn't take geographic demographics into account, and attempts to have all businesses across the country adhere to the same quotas. This policy, then, will see more coloureds hired for a branch in a predominantly coloured area, for example.

Did the DA not once oppose demographic representivity, they opposed it more than once iirc?

https://www.da.org.za/archive/da-will-fight-against-5050-gender-quotas/

DA Will Fight Against 50/50 Gender Quotas

The DA thoroughly rejects the concept of demographic representivity, which was the animating idea of apartheid. In contrast, our constitutional democracy enjoins us all to protect each other’s rights. You don’t need to look the same as someone to be represented by them in Parliament.

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A legislated quota would amount to a violation of the Constitutional right to non-discrimination.

Section 9(3) of the Constitution states that: “The state may not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds, including race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth.”

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The DA’s approach to diversity is not based on top-down manipulation of electoral lists. It is based on a commitment to developing a genuinely diverse slate of candidates based on merit.

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The DA will oppose any attempts to introduce apartheid-era demographic quotas.

http://mg.co.za/article/2011-03-08-da-the-anc-has-abandoned-nonracialism

James said demographic representivity necessitated racial profiling, quotas and “at its core” a definition of who is “black”, “coloured”, “white” or “Indian”.

“Because if national or regional demographics determine opportunity, the state needs to be able to define what determines a person as ‘black’ or ‘coloured’, ‘Indian’ or ‘white’ in order to assess what they qualify for, and which demographic they represent.

“How will the state determine this? With a pencil test? This is apartheid thinking. Previous disadvantage, not race, should guide redress or we risk reverting to the kind of backwards, divisive thinking that has defined our history and the legacy we are trying to leave behind.”

There are much more articles to quote.
 
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