Don't call us coloureds, we are Khoisan - MPs told

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Pietermaritzburg - Khoisan people want to be recognised as the indigenous people of South Africa, and some of the first steps towards this include scrapping the word "coloured" from the country's vocabulary and teaching the language of the Khoisan at schools.

These were some of the sentiments expressed in a sometimes highly charged public hearing on the Traditional and Khoisan Leadership Bill at the Pietermaritzburg City Hall on Thursday.

Danella Wilday, who was the first person to make an oral submission during the hearing, told members of Parliament's portfolio committee on co-operative governance and traditional affairs that the term "coloured" was derogatory and demonstrated how the Khoisan community was marginalised both under apartheid and now the democratic government.

"Don't call us coloureds. We are Griqua people, descendants of Khoisan, and the indigenous people of South Africa. We need to be recognised as a nation," she said to the applause of the audience.

Others making submissions denounced as a stereotype the assumption that they were a racial mix of black and white, insisting that they are indigenous people of south Africa and therefore deserved the same recognition as Nguni nations such as the Zulu and the Xhosa.

'Affirmative action does not work'

Some also expressed reservations that while traditional leaders from Pietermaritzburg and surrounding areas had been allowed to sit in front alongside MPs, Khoisan traditional leaders were seated with the audience.

Niel Lowe, who is the chairperson of the Griqua Action Committee, said there was a need for more workshops so that there would be a thorough understanding of the bill.

He decried how the Khoisan are treated in South Africa and cited a number of laws which he said left them out.

"Affirmative action does not work in our favour; in fact it excludes us just like broad-based black economic empowerment. We need to be treated as indigenous people of this country," said Lowe.

He also criticised the committee for not allocating more time for discussions on the bill and its implications.

Land question

There were also calls for the Khoisan community to benefit from land redistribution.

The draft legislation would enable the Khoisan community to have traditional leaders in the form of headmen and chiefs who would enjoy the same perks as other traditional leaders in South Africa.

While there were many people who were in favour of the bill being passed into law, some community members expressed reservations about some parts of it, and also called for further workshops to be carried out by the committee.

Committee member David Masondo acknowledged that land had been among the points of concern raised in other venues where hearings on the bill had been conducted.

He promised those attending the hearing that the matter would be brought to the attention of Land Affairs and Rural Development Minister Gugile Nkwinti.

The committee chairperson told the audience that another public hearing is set for Kokstad on Friday, February 3.

News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/dont-call-us-coloureds-we-are-khoisan-mps-told-20170202
 
...this will be met with serious resistance. This is primarily because it'll level the field between black and white, with no group really having a bigger claim than the other (if you stop and think). However, at the same time, it's all a waste of time. This country belongs to everyone here. There's no "home" whites can return to in Europe, and no "home" for the blacks in central Africa. We're here now, let's make the best of it
 
So if he misses the bowl does he then make a Khoi pond?
 
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Pietermaritzburg - Khoisan people want to be recognised as the indigenous people of South Africa, and some of the first steps towards this include scrapping the word "coloured" from the country's vocabulary and teaching the language of the Khoisan at schools.

There will be resistance to that, can't we have both coloureds and Khoisan?
 
theres no such thing as coloureds, thats the point

I've no problem with that but does everybody concerned share the same sentiment, what if someone insists on identifying as a Coloured and refuse to be identified as a Khoisan?
 
I've no problem with that but does everybody concerned share the same sentiment, what if someone insists on identifying as a Coloured and refuse to be identified as a Khoisan?

coloured is a made up term from Apartheid, it doesn't exist as a race

if someone wishes to identify as coloured they can do that, in the same way they can identify as a flat eather. The point is that the term is an engineered classification, a legacy product of apartheid
 
I agree that the Khoisan should be recognised as a ''First Nation'', but it will never happen as it will kick the chair out from under the black nationalist's ''whites don't belong here'' narrative.

I do however have reservations with regards to these folks laying direct claim to Khoisan ancestry. I'm sure all racial groups in SA have a bit of Khoisan blood, seeing as pretty much everything started in the Cape, but to outright claim you are them is a bit of a stretch, IMO. The Khoisan are still very much with us and it is quite evident that culturally they are very different to the people we know as Coloureds and Cape Malays.

theres no such thing as coloureds, thats the point

How should they be identified then, as they have developed their own unique identity and culture that is most certainly not Khoisan.
 
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coloured is a made up term from Apartheid, it doesn't exist as a race

if someone wishes to identify as coloured they can do that, in the same way they can identify as a flat eather. The point is that the term is an engineered classification, a legacy product of apartheid

I guess its for coloured people to decide how they view their history.
 
coloured is a made up term from Apartheid, it doesn't exist as a race

if someone wishes to identify as coloured they can do that, in the same way they can identify as a flat eather. The point is that the term is an engineered classification, a legacy product of apartheid

So what are the correct terms then (I assume there isn't just 1 term)? Some are Khoisan? Others are Cape Malay? Others are Mixed Race?
 
I don't agree, it should be about facts. Not everyone can accept facts, but we can't view history the way we want to.

The question is: are all coloureds Khoisan?

I fully agree that Khoisan people should not be called coloureds, because they are not coloureds but the scrapping of the word coloured, is it the Khoisan who must dictate that? can't it be limited to don't call us coloureds for them?
 
theres no such thing as coloureds, thats the point
History... If only more people had it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloureds

Coloureds are a mixed race if some portion whats to claim khoisan ansistry and follow the culture and traditions thats perfectly fine. There is nothing wrong with still calling them coloureds. Most of them don't have an identity crisis and accept who they are.
 
History... If only more people had it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloureds

Coloureds are a mixed race if some portion whats to claim khoisan ansistry and follow the culture and traditions thats perfectly fine. There is nothing wrong with still calling them coloureds. Most of them don't have an identity crisis and accept who they are.


LOL, okay

So someone with Malay ancestry is a coloured....
 
So what are the correct terms then (I assume there isn't just 1 term)? Some are Khoisan? Others are Cape Malay? Others are Mixed Race?

Yeah, I don't have time or the interest to do a geneaology test to find out my roots. Just call me a generic not-Cape coloured.

Or Alex, that works too.
 
So what are the correct terms then (I assume there isn't just 1 term)? Some are Khoisan? Others are Cape Malay? Others are Mixed Race?

its a discussion to be had once we the majority agree that the term coloured is an apartheid product
 
theres no such thing as coloureds, thats the point

But the Khoisan are an actual indigenous group while "coloureds" are mixed race and some of them don't decent from a mix of Khoisan. What do you refer to the mixed race groups who don't come from the Khoisan? Some of them don't want to be referred to as black either but aren't allowed to be white because they are not really accepted there.
 
But the Khoisan are an actual indigenous group while "coloureds" are mixed race and some of them don't decent from a mix of Khoisan. What do you refer to the mixed race groups who don't come from the Khoisan? Some of them don't want to be referred to as black either but aren't allowed to be white because they are not really accepted there.


once again, so someone with Malaysian ancestory (as is the case in the Cape) is classified as coloured

when Jan Van Riebieck landed here, were there coloureds living here?

If someone is mixed race then they are mixed race, not coloured.
 
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