Time For a Military Coup in SA

LoneGunman

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Watching the unfolding mess, the power cuts, the violence, and now the pictures
of poor struggling refugees being burned alive by South Africans, as well as the totally
incompetent current ANC government murmuring quite evil insinuations about 'right wingers' being responsible, I am fairly ashamed of my citizenship, and angry at just how far down the slippery slope South Africa has fallen, in a few short years.

These years now, should have been the happiest, most productive time in South Africa's
history, once the apartheid regime had fallen - instead.. it is what it is.

A countrywide train smash. With racism, violence, civil disorder, a worsening global image of the country, and a population that is increasingly (and justifiably) frightened.

Its time for the Army to take steps.

I'm generally not a fan of the military, as my posts here and there have shown - but I have to admit, the following could go some way towards putting SA back on the course that Mandela started.

-The immediate arrest of Mbeki, Zuma, and all leading ANC personnel in Government.
-The installation of nationwide martial law.
-The setting up of a military commission, put in place, to oversee the governing of South Africa for a preset period of time-
(ahead of a new national election, and national referendums on a range of issues,
from the 'open borders' through to the 'death penalty').

Even though the former SADF was basically 'the armed wing of the National Party' - there
was a certain quality and strength which transcended its role as the muscle for a racist
regime.

I don't know if the current SANDF - and specifically - its Generals, have the spine to do
what they probably need to do, to protect and save South Africa, and take it away from
the mad course of ever-increasing violence, racism and social unrest, which the ANC has chosen.

Its clear by now, to most citizens in SA, that the ANC Government has outlived its usefulness, and its ability to govern.

What should have been the glory days of South Africa, as all citizens worked together in
peace to fix the country, and move forward, has turned into a feeding frenzy by corrupt, incompetent scum, in the Union Buildings, who've perverted the hopes, dreams and sacrifices of the liberation struggle, and who should no longer be allowed to hide behind the supposed facade of being a democratic government - or be allowed to continue pointing to the past sacrifices of others, to justify their current positions of entitlement.

I think its time, before matters get truly out of hand, for the military to step forward and
provide the missing spine, which the ANC lack, to guide SA back towards having the moral high ground, and away from the new racism of the current ANC government.

You reach a point, as a nation, when you can't pretend its 'business as usual'.

Not when citizens are hiding behind high walls, others are burning people alive, the alleged 'government' in power is inciting ethnic hatred, and stating that it intends to allow
the rest of Africa to surge into the country - regardless of the fact that there is not
enough infrastructure, employment or accommodation for the current population at present.


These are the actions of - at best - madmen - and at worst, misguided nihilists hiding
behind the facade of 'democracy', intent on who knows what - but the accumulative
effects of their actions since 1994, have shown little regard or respect for any genuine
building up of a non racist, peaceful and productive country.

Where are the Army? Are there no military leaders with a spine, and a desire for
a better future, than the one that the ANC seems intent on mapping out?

I would suggest that South Africa could only benefit, from a military coup, provided those responsible step firmly away from the rampant racism card being played repeatedly by the current ANC government, as it staggers from one crisis to another.

A period of re-establishing control, closing the borders, cutting off all aid and supplies to
Zimbabwe, and a time table announced for a new national election, after a year of military rule - will go some way towards creating the first genuine democracy in South Africa..

Democracy is not just about 'having a vote' - its about being able to live a decent life,
without fear, and in security, in a country being run efficiently by the ruling Government.

This Government has failed.
A transitional period of military rule, to me, is the safest course of action - rather than
trying to put new icing on a rotten cake, by thinking that the next President, can
fundamentally change the current chaos, corruption, and social instability.
 
Much of what you say is true LG but our military is a joke. A well armed, poorly trained and morally bankrupt joke. If our military starts running this country it will be hell on earth for everyone stuck here. It really would be a free for all.

I agree that the ANC has failed, completely. Top government should be arrested for criminal negligence if nothing else
One is criminally negligent who in doing anything, or in omitting to do anything that it is his duty to do, shows wanton or reckless disregard for the lives or safety of other persons

The only way that our country will change for the better is if every South-African stands up for his rights, by stand up I mean defend them with his life.

I am surprised that no-one has gone after those corrupt bastards in the ANC yet, I mean how hard can they really be to get to if you know what you're doing.

I think that will happen sooner rather than later. They keep pushing and pushing and one day they will push the wrong person till he has nothing left to lose.
 
LoneGunman said:
I think its time, before matters get truly out of hand, for the military to step forward and provide the missing spine, which the ANC lack, to guide SA back towards having the moral high ground
Let me get this straight: You suggest the military launches a coup against a democratically elected government to bring it back onto the moral high ground. Looks like the US way of "spreading democracy" is start to get to you buddy.

Besides, military coups are only possible with a strong-ish military. A bunch of AIDS infested noobs who sold their body armour don't count.

Another minor technical detail would be that military coups usually end dictatorship. Your proposed 1 year military rule would virtual guarantee this.
 
So we end up with a few warlords and even more corruption and killing, catch a wake up and read some history books
 
Easy to ask for a coup when living in another country :rolleyes:

When **** hits the fan you won't be affected.
 
A military coup is not the solution. The weak link in the chain is the human component.

The military is run and maintained by humans. Should they taste power and wealth they might not let it go. Unfortunately Africa is littered with broken glass of shattered dreams brought by the military. A view on Idi Amin will suffice. Sadly LG, its my opinion that if our military would come to power they would be worse. Look at the military junta in Myanmar holding back aid and manipulating it for their benefit.

The situation we find ourselves is highly fluid and unpredictable. The government realizes that they do not enjoy full support of their people. They thought they did and would always forever. They realize that just like the previous establishment, they too are vulnerable.

There are so many angles present. Cosatu is making unhappy noises about Zuma, Kgalema Motlanthe is making his moves. Zim cannot end well as long as Mugabe draws breathe and no run-off elections are held. Many observers believe the Military is now in full control of Zim. Personally I think the Chinese and running the show up north now, they've made their play.

People are scared and nervous.

Southern Africa needs a leader right now.......
 
Were you honestly expecting support on this issue!!!!!!!!????????? I dont even think the most extreme forumites like marine1 and the dude who drives the Uno Panel Van would agree with you on this!? I cant even believe someone with an ounce of grey matter would suggest this and I reckon you just landed yourself on the ignore list of most sensible forumites!

You claim that "Its clear by now, to most citizens in SA, that the ANC Government has outlived its usefulness, and its ability to govern.

Well if most SA citizens believe this then there is no need for a military coup as they wont vote for them in the next elections! However I think you realised whilst typing this essay that most (if not all) of what you were writing was complete and utter bullsh1t! At least I hope you did because if you reckon our curent situation requires a military coup then I would hate to know what you would have done had you been born in Germany in 1910.

I can compare your mentality to that of a brain-dead, Nazi donkey - but I wont! Instead, I would ask that you please consult with a [-]witch doctor[/-] specialist who has experience in dealing with the insane! Who knows, maybe he can make your penis grow longer and ensure wealth and prosperity at the same time!?

It is times lke this that I wished I believed in God so I didnt feel like such a hypocrite when I say " Good Lord, this dude is past the edge of sanity - please help him!"
 
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Watching the unfolding mess, the power cuts, the violence, and now the pictures
of poor struggling refugees being burned alive by South Africans, as well as the totally
incompetent current ANC government murmuring quite evil insinuations about 'right wingers' being responsible, I am fairly ashamed of my citizenship, and angry at just how far down the slippery slope South Africa has fallen, in a few short years.

These years now, should have been the happiest, most productive time in South Africa's
history, once the apartheid regime had fallen - instead.. it is what it is.

A countrywide train smash. With racism, violence, civil disorder, a worsening global image of the country, and a population that is increasingly (and justifiably) frightened.

Its time for the Army to take steps.

I'm generally not a fan of the military, as my posts here and there have shown - but I have to admit, the following could go some way towards putting SA back on the course that Mandela started.

-The immediate arrest of Mbeki, Zuma, and all leading ANC personnel in Government.
-The installation of nationwide martial law.
-The setting up of a military commission, put in place, to oversee the governing of South Africa for a preset period of time-
(ahead of a new national election, and national referendums on a range of issues,
from the 'open borders' through to the 'death penalty').

Yikes! LG some harsh things you mention in here and the wishes may be coming from a place that is right about the future IMO I don't think the solution will lie with the army. The military as it stands now will fall in with the ANC leadership, no questions asked. That is the way of Africa and not a hundred years of political and social development will change that. Maybe 500.

Things go awry when the military get involved in civil issues. It would in my view be better for the country to completely fall apart than to fall under martial law. The problem with martial law is that it doesn't end easily and the enforcers of it are without reprise. In other words they can do what they want. It is only as honorable as the honorable men enforcing it and if the men are not so honorable then a lot of pain will follow.

What people forget or perhaps don't realize is that South Africa as it stands today is an experiment to those in the first world. The odds are stacked against us like a billion Mount Everest's. We can overcome the odds but the odds are extremely slim. I am hoping for the best but if things go wrong it is best that the country completely falters for a new regime to come from the ashes than to linger with martial law in a kind of cryogenic political cold chamber that just keeps the terrible status-quo...
 
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:p

Hello LG. :)

Wow what a story.
Sort of reminds me of George Bush telling the whole world that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction when it was all about oil, the mighty Dollar and Saddam. The US has spent Zillions on a Military "Coup" or invasion if you like of Iraq, that has proved fruitless as the price of oil has surpassed the $130 per barrel level and looks like it is heading for $200.

Perhaps you have been staying under that Shadow for too long, you getting Bush Befork?:D LOL
 
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Its time for the Army to take steps.

Always amazing how they always eventually come around. :D

The fight against apartheid was also a fight AGAINST militarism. Of any sort.

But that's what soldiers are capable of. And that's what warfare and armies turns humans into. Animals and thugs.

The worst insults it seems have been deleted.

hmmm

:p

Hello LG. :)

Wow what a story.
Sort of reminds me of George Bush telling the whole world that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction when it was all about oil, the mighty Dollar and Saddam. The US has spent Zillions on a Military "Coup" or invasion if you like of Iraq, that has proved fruitless as the price of oil has surpassed the $130 per barrel level and looks like it is heading for $200.

Perhaps you have been staying under that Shadow for too long, you getting Bush Befork?:D LOL

Oh no conspracy drivel from a mod nogal.
 
IMO a military coup is not the answer to our situation. Our military is just as useless and corrupt, troops can't even shoot in a straight line (i know from experience). We did have a crime fighting unit that was going after corrupt officials (Scorpions), but as we all know and have debated here at length, the Scorpions have been disbanded for what ever reason.

The best option is to use our democratic right and vote the ruling party out of power. What boggles me is that all the unhappy people in the township will again vote for the same corrupt and ineffective ruling party.

I would have thaught that JZ or TM would at least have made an effort and get to the root of the trouble and speak to their people. Their absence sends a clear message to the people, i just hope they remember this at the voting box next year.

For the first time ever i'm afraid to be in SA. Not even 1994 was like this.
 
IMO a military coup is not the answer to our situation. Our military is just as useless and corrupt, troops can't even shoot in a straight line (i know from experience). We did have a crime fighting unit that was going after corrupt officials (Scorpions), but as we all know and have debated here at length, the Scorpions have been disbanded for what ever reason.

The best option is to use our democratic right and vote the ruling party out of power. What boggles me is that all the unhappy people in the township will again vote for the same corrupt and ineffective ruling party.

I would have thaught that JZ or TM would at least have made an effort and get to the root of the trouble and speak to their people. Their absence sends a clear message to the people, i just hope they remember this at the voting box next year.

For the first time ever i'm afraid to be in SA. Not even 1994 was like this.

And what makes you think the ANC would accept being voted out of power?
 
The best option is to use our democratic right and vote the ruling party out of power. What boggles me is that all the unhappy people in the township will again vote for the same corrupt and ineffective ruling party.

And this is our biggest problem.
 
Somehow I feel the current situation in South Africa will just drag on. The way I see it panning out is the army putting more boots in the townships and ANC officials making deals in the background with the ring leaders of this crisis.

I just wish come voting time the poor people in question will vote different. I wonder if ANC hierarchy was so arrogant they thought they could enrich themselves beyond compair and expect the mass populace to be satisfied. You cant have 1 person taking the wealth of 100 people and think everything will end well. Even fool could see the pitfall in that.
 
I served nearly three years as a conscript in the old apartheid days army. Most of the senior officers were incompetent. I could not imagine them or the current defence force leadership even closely having the knowhow to start running a country. It would be a case of from the frying pan into the fire.
 
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