Days of MyLife- Episode 1

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  1. Do you believe that if a man rapes a woman he is forever and always a rapist? Or do you believe that said rapist can change his ways?
  2. If he 'can' change, does that belief still hold true if he does it again?
  3. Do you draw a line between your common garden variety date rapist and your 'dodgy guy in quiet alley' rapist? Or are they one and the same?
  4. Does ANY action justify raping a woman?
  5. Does being under the influence of alcohol some how lessen the degree of responsibility on the rapists side?
  6. Could / would a rapist ever be able to fully understand the emotional wreckage that sits in the aftermath of the victims psyche?

I ask these things for the following reasons:

1) I'm in love with a man who raped me twice.
2) I want to help him if he can be helped - for him AND for me.
3) I need to understand why it seems like he doesnt give a **** for what he's done
4) Am I making a mistake in not going to the cops (afterall, who would benefit from that?)
5) Can anyone who hasnt been abused in that way really grasp how it feels?
6) Am I stuck in some weird stokholm syndrome type cycle (surely being aware and informed on the dynamics of abusive relationships almost negates the potential surrender to said mindsets?)?
7) Am I ridiculous for hoping for some kind of acknowledgement or appreciation (from my ex) for my continued support and care for him?

Let it just be said though, that I have not been the innocent vitcim. I have a substance abuse problem that has obviously lead to many deceptions and lies (I've been clean for just on 3 weeks now - yay me!). He is saying that I have hurt him so much with my lies that he will only be able to feel the guilt/remorse that he claims exists when he gets over the lies I told him. The biggest betrayal in his mind seems to be that (after 3 years) I finally told one of his friends what he did (thats a whole other complicated story on its own - maybe episode 2 of Days of MyLife).

Does lying to him and telling his friend about the ''incidents'' really mean that he is justified in not caring? I'm so confused :( As lame as it may sound, I love this guy beyond even my own comprehension. Yes, many may say that you cant love a person if you can lie to them, but (and this is NOT an excuse - even i know that) addiction is very a cunning enemy of life. The ability to think clearly and make rational decisions that reflect the actual moral standing of the addict is almost nonexistent when using (I say almost because there are some things that I would never do - no matter how high I was).

So yeah. It's messed up and completely twisted and fetid and gross and yet I cant seem to find my corner on this one. Any input is welcome. I've tried to sort this stuff out in my head but I'm just not getting anywhere and MyAdsl is SO much cheaper than a shrink :p
 
1. Your are not in love. You are simply traumatized and manipulated.
2. Rape is not cool. And forever, he is a rapist.
3. Because clearly he doesn't give a fsck.
4. You need to get away. Soon. Cops or no cops. That's the bottom line,
allowing rape is not cool. Especially if it's the second time. That's just stupid.
4. There is no difference. The only difference is the venue.
5. I'm sure they can. Because the abuse is one thing. Feeling guilty about it is another, everyone has done things they thought other people
wouldn't understand, and have had the same struggles in dealing with it, whether it was rape or not.
6. Probably. The fact that you're trying to defend/love someone that raped you is not cool, and struggling to decide if it was wrong means there's a problem in how you're dealing with it, and perceiving it.
7. Ex? Which Ex ? The ex-guy that raped you ? That's not an ex. That's a rapist !

Bottom line:
- Feeling love for someone that raped you is not cool.
- Substance abuse, can, be cool.
- Continuous substance abuse is not cool

The lying to your friends about the incidents, the caring and all the rest you mention is irrelevant.

You will not get acknowledgement, or whatever it is that you seek from him. Remember: You teach people how to treat you.
If you allow(ed) it, it will continue.

Get out. Stop. Unless you want to continue writing posts like this in another few years...
 
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Sorry dude, but can you ask your questions one at a time please? That carp is far too much to read in my state - and mine is the single best answer you could ever hope for.

BTW - why do some people have such big egos and opinions about themselves? It sickens me...
 
Sorry dude, but can you ask your questions one at a time please? That carp is far too much to read in my state - and mine is the single best answer you could ever hope for.

BTW - why do some people have such big egos and opinions about themselves? It sickens me...

Er.... Um.... Was that ego comment directed at me? Its 3am, you'll forgive me (I hope) if I've misunderstood you :/

And the questions are numbered for a reason... ;) *run and hide*
 
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You've misunderstood me. Nobody could possibly top my ego. I was merely pointing out that the post is one long-winded.....argh, nevermind. I'm off to bed now - far too drunk to continue this...
 
You've misunderstood me. Nobody could possibly top my ego. I was merely pointing out that the post is one long-winded.....argh, nevermind. I'm off to bed now - far too drunk to continue this...

I'll keep it short in future :p See below for the summary:

He's an elephantsbumhole but I still love him.

Better?
 
Stop feeding that elephant and it will stop giving you ****.

2 Words: GET AWAY!

Why do you try to justify everything? Nothing can justify what he did to you. NOTHING!!!
 
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@almostgone...why do you want to put yourself through all that crap. It is not love. Get away from him, do it before its too late.
 
I'll keep it short in future :p See below for the summary:

He's an elephantsbumhole but I still love him.

Better?

Ah, much better...:D

Yeah, get out of there asap. If you've already realised that he's an ass of the highest order, then your reasons to stay are completely irrational and will only serve to hurt you even more further down the line...
 
If you find it impossible to leave him, just neglect are sabotage the relationship to such a degree that he leaves himself.
 
Firstly congrats on being clean for 3 weeks. I'm no where near being shrink, while it's good to get these things out in the open even if it is anonomously, it lessens the load I suppose. No one here can really help you. You need a friend/family member/proffessional to help you. I'm sure there are people here that may be qualified to give you advice, I'd see what they say (I think the general consensus will be to get help and get away) and then take it from there. That said:

  1. Do you believe that if a man rapes a woman he is forever and always a rapist? Or do you believe that said rapist can change his ways?

    Yes a rapist will ALWAYS be a rapist, the same as an alcoholic will always be an alcoholic, and a druggie will always b a druggie. They will always be a recovering rapist/alcoholic/druggie.They can change their ways (with help) however if they were capable once they are capable again.

  2. If he 'can' change, does that belief still hold true if he does it again?
    If they change for the better and they do it again, then no that belief will not hold true, they may"recover" but there's always going to be that chance they will revert back. That's why you need someone physical to help you. To help you with your addiction and to guide you with your decisions.
  3. Do you draw a line between your common garden variety date rapist and your 'dodgy guy in quiet alley' rapist? Or are they one and the same?

    No a rapist will always be a rapist, no matter what the environment.
  4. Does ANY action justify raping a woman?
    The short answer? Nope. However the fact you're asking this question says to me you do think there is a justification. Again, you need to have someone for support. While you've been clean for 3 weeks, you're still a litlte fragile. When you've ben clean for a lot longer I'm sue you'll think differently. I'd say for now, get the hell out of dodge, and disassociate youself from these "bad elements". Easier said than done I know

  5. Does being under the influence of alcohol some how lessen the degree of responsibility on the rapists side?

    Not a chance, while I can see where yor logic is in this question the answer is no. Rape is rape, no excuse for it at all. Again you're trying to justify, which confirms to me you need more help than anyone can give on here.

  6. Could / would a rapist ever be able to fully understand the emotional wreckage that sits in the aftermath of the victims psyche?

Yes I'm sure they could however in this situation it doesn't sound like it. The rapist here does not seem to be very remorseful, another indication to vamoosa.


I ask these things for the following reasons:

1) I'm in love with a man who raped me twice.

Are you really? I think you're in a very fragile state of mind (no offence meant) and your logic is better the devil you know than the devil you don't. I think you're frightened of the consequences of what might happen if you break free.


2) I want to help him if he can be helped - for him AND for me.

This is very noble, of you and is very understandable. However help yoursef first. Then help him. Stay cleaner for longer get YOUR life in order and then try to help him. If it means a complete break apart or how ever long it takes I think you should. I'm willing to bet once you ar a lot more "stable". You will see things differently.



3) I need to understand why it seems like he doesnt give a **** for what he's done.

Honestly? You will never undersand. The mere fact that he doesn't seem to give a hoot says to me to get the hell out. Maybe when he becomes genuinely remorseful then maybe you can try and understand a little.


4) Am I making a mistake in not going to the cops (afterall, who would benefit from that?)

I think you are making a mistake. You will both benefit. Why? Well as of yet he has not been punished for his crime, and maybe involving the police will make him see the gravity of what he's done, he may start feeling remorseful and then could be on the road to recovery. Who knows. Only you. Will he become more violent towards you if you do go to the cops? If it's yes, then there's your answer. Go and report it. No matter how much you "love" him. If he doesn't become violent then there is definately a chance for the two of you. You will have some sort of closure as well.


5) Can anyone who hasnt been abused in that way really grasp how it feels?

I don't think they would be able to grasp how it feels, but I'm sure they would understand why you feel the way you do.


6) Am I stuck in some weird stokholm syndrome type cycle (surely being aware and informed on the dynamics of abusive relationships almost negates the potential surrender to said mindsets?)?

Yup certainly seems like it to me. But I'm no pro, I'm not even an amateur.

7) Am I ridiculous for hoping for some kind of acknowledgement or appreciation (from my ex) for my continued support and care for him?

It seems like you want him to love you as much as you love him. At this rate, not going to happen, after all he's violated your body. He doesn't seem to be the appreciative type at all. A one way relaionship will NEVER work


Let it just be said though, that I have not been the innocent vitcim. I have a substance abuse problem that has obviously lead to many deceptions and lies (I've been clean for just on 3 weeks now - yay me!). He is saying that I have hurt him so much with my lies that he will only be able to feel the guilt/remorse that he claims exists when he gets over the lies I told him.

Even though you may have done all these bad things. It's No excuse for him raping you. He's playing the victim and guilt tripping you into staying. One word? Leave. And do it ASAP.


The biggest betrayal in his mind seems to be that (after 3 years) I finally told one of his friends what he did (thats a whole other complicated story on its own - maybe episode 2 of Days of MyLife).

The fact you told someone is good, it's not a betrayal. No matter what the circumstances are. He's violated YOU. He's playing the victim here again and guilt tripping again. Not a very good sign at all.


Does lying to him and telling his friend about the ''incidents'' really mean that he is justified in not caring?

No. If he loves you he will learn to forgive and forget. If he doesn't care now, and feel remorse for what he's done, it will never happen (he will never care)

I'm so confused :( As lame as it may sound, I love this guy beyond even my own comprehension. Yes, many may say that you cant love a person if you can lie to them, but (and this is NOT an excuse - even i know that) addiction is very a cunning enemy of life.

Just beause you lie to someone doesn't mean you don't love someone, no matter how malicious the lie is. It gives them reason not to trust you, but doesn't mean you don't love them. While "addicted your skewed logic may have told you you were protecing them from the truth.



The ability to think clearly and make rational decisions that reflect the actual moral standing of the addict is almost nonexistent when using (I say almost because there are some things that I would never do - no matter how high I was).

True, however you've only been "clean" for 3 week. This may be why you are feeling the way you are now. Give it time, your "brain" will recover.


So yeah. It's messed up and completely twisted and fetid and gross and yet I cant seem to find my corner on this one. Any input is welcome. I've tried to sort this stuff out in my head but I'm just not getting anywhere and MyAdsl is SO much cheaper than a shrink :p

All I can say is good luck with everything. I'm no shrink, and will never claim to be however bottom line is. Get the hell out it doesn't need to be permanent, at least until you've sorted your shiznit out. Things will get clearer
 
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Report him to the Police. You can save somebody else from going through the same thing.

He using and abusing you. He doesnt love you.
Get away. Far away.
Stay clean.
 
ON point one:
You are fooling yourself. Dot.

You are going to hate yourself. Dot.

No matter what. He has no, 0 nothing zero ziltz, reason to rape you.

If your abuse is his excuse, he is even weaker than you were.
It's like saying you raped your 5 year old niece because she was naked.

Get out. Find yourself make peace with yourself. Forgive yourself.
Then find someone who loves you.

Then if you have left him al the other things go away.
 
Report him to the Police. You can save somebody else from going through the same thing.

He using and abusing you. He doesnt love you.
Get away. Far away.
Stay clean.


That's what I was thinking. But what if he goes to jail? I don't think he'd survive that?

What are the chances of a first time offender being locked up?
 
That's what I was thinking. But what if he goes to jail? I don't think he'd survive that?

What are the chances of a first time offender being locked up?

omg. Will you listen to yourself? If this ****nut rapes a child will you feel sorry for him and try to protect him?
Let him reap what he has sown. And ffs go see a therapist.
 
Get help. Call someone. Do something. (011) 642 4345 - POWA.
 
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