No clarity on ADSL ‘hard cap'

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http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/telecoms/2005/0510071037.asp?S=Internet&A=INT&O=S

Lulu Letlape, Telkom group executive of corporate communications, responds that Telkom never sold a 30GB account.

“Wholesalers purchase a 3GB account and then sell it as a 30GB account and end-users are put under the impression that they are buying 30GB accounts. Abuse is also committed in another area, where a 3GB account is bought from an ISP and deliberately abused. One such instance is a TelkomInternet end-user using 296GB, in September, effectively 97 times more than what she paid for,” Letlape says.

The solution that will be put in place on 1 November, she says, is “very simple”, and resellers will have two options: resellers can purchase from a standard set of products, ranging from 2GB to 30GB, which will be hard capped, or resellers can make use of usage-based billing and the reseller will be responsible for the total consumption of their end-users. Resellers will determine and manage capping of each user individually.

“The introduction of usage-based billing will enable each ISP to make the decision on the size of each account and when, how and why to cap or not to cap a services, directly in line with wishes from the industry and ICASA.”
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296GB in a month. :D
I wonder who this (she) is?
 
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Hmm,

First of all, 296 / 3 = 98.6666, but then again maths was never telkom's strong point.

Second of all, the user paid for 3Gb of international plus unlimited amount of local bandwidth. Assuming the user used the full 3gb for international http traffic, (since telkom heavily shaped the other protocol) and according to telkom, 95% of it is locally cached so the user only got 5% of 3gb as proper international traffic. This means that he in fact effectively paid 20 times more than what he actually got!!!!

Spinz

Edited: Grammar mistakes.. lol
 
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"Lulu Letlape, Telkom group executive of corporate communications, responds that Telkom never sold a 30GB account."

If that is so, why is there prices of R2860 exc for 30gb?

This must be news to her, but please don't be harsh, she only works there!
 
Lets c:
296GB / 31 = 9.54 GB a day.
9.54 / 24 = 0.39 GB an hour.
0.39 * 1024 = 407 MB an hour.
407 MB/h / 60 = 6.784 MB a minute.
6.784 / 60 = 0.1130 MB a second.
i.e. a 1130 KB/s line.

In September. Teklom had better than 1024 lines back in september ...
Riiiiiigh ?

Is my math buggered or it this woman speaking through her ...?
 
a shared account with multiple login capability maybe, which wouldnt be necessary if the accounts were affordable to start with.
*edit* what liewe Lulu also doesnt mention is that this type of usage is by far not the norm and an extreme case that could easily be dealt with without having to degrade the entire service for the whole frikkin country.Having a paid for an affordable 30 gig account, of which I probably only use half of it in the month (but its nice to know its there), and someone paying for 3gigs and doing 300gigs seems an anal example Lulu, shuddaapp.
 
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Probably both, but most likely this woman was using torrents/P2P and traffic was going both ways, and being that she managed to get that far she either
a) wasn't capped as her IP remained the same for the month using a Netgear modem or similar
b) was using local dcc++ or whatever its called which goes full speed as its local.

296 gigs is a LOT of stuff tho, no doubt most of the downloaded stuff has been deleted as thats prolly more than her whole hard drive can hold. What a waste..
 
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Sorry Stroke I hate to say it but Telkom may be telling the truth on this one. I work it out to 119.74k/s which is within limits of a 1mb ADSL line. Assuming of course that that data was only taken on one line.
 
“The introduction of usage-based billing will enable each ISP to make the decision on the size of each account and when, how and why to cap or not to cap a services, directly in line with wishes from the industry and ICASA.”
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So telkom shift the blame to the ISPs, and strong arm the ISPs into falling into line, because what other option do the ISPs have?

Telkom has nothing to answer to to ICASA, because the ISPs are doing the capping, the ISPs are screwed, because they can't go elsewhere. They could go to IS, but IS is more expensive, and the general public will go with the cheapest.

Edit: Telkom actually have the right idea here, BUT price is just 10 times what it should be.
 
stoke said:
Lets c:
296GB / 31 = 9.54 GB a day.
9.54 / 24 = 0.39 GB an hour.
0.39 * 1024 = 407 MB an hour.
407 MB/h / 60 = 6.784 MB a minute.
6.784 / 60 = 0.1130 MB a second.
i.e. a 1130 KB/s line.

In September. Teklom had better than 1024 lines back in september ...
Riiiiiigh ?

Is my math buggered or it this woman speaking through her ...?
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you seem to be a touch off - I get 114-120KBps - September has 30 days and you dont know what KB/MB they're using in conversion. Which translates to ~950kpbs - ADSL 1024, was launched on September 1st, no?

So it is possible if not unlikely (who got 1024 on day 1?)

What it does say is that the system sustained that sort of traffic, and nobody actually noticed - the infrastructure is underutilized and overbilled . ..
 
stoke said:
Lets c:
296GB / 31 = 9.54 GB a day.
9.54 / 24 = 0.39 GB an hour.
0.39 * 1024 = 407 MB an hour.
407 MB/h / 60 = 6.784 MB a minute.
6.784 / 60 = 0.1130 MB a second.
i.e. a 1130 KB/s line.

In September. Teklom had better than 1024 lines back in september ...
Riiiiiigh ?

Is my math buggered or it this woman speaking through her ...?
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Did you include uploads too in your calculation?

If I was telkom I'd create my own corps of 'abusers' just so I could have the justification needed to cap local.
 
One such instance is a TelkomInternet end-user using 296GB, in September, effectively 97 times more than what she paid for
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Lulu just set the bar at 296. Who wants to go for the record?

Anyone going to try break 300 this month? Last chance people :D
 
I break 300GIG monthly.. Lulu come catch me, I break 800000000Million kilogigabitbytes a day on my 9600baud modem connected to virtual airwaves provided by Telkom Slipstream technology.
 
Spindrift said:
Hmm,

First of all, 296 / 3 = 98.6666, but then again maths was never telkom's strong point.

Second of all, the user paid for 3Gb of international plus unlimited amount of local bandwidth. Assuming the user used the full 3gb for international http traffic, (since telkom heavily shaped the other protocol) and according to telkom, 95% of it is locally cached so the user only got 5% of 3gb as proper international traffic. This means that he in fact effectively paid 20 times more than what he actually got!!!!

Spinz

Edited: Grammar mistakes.. lol
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Good to see your maths working read again "effectively 97 times more than" 98 minus the one paid for...
 
And yet this woman is still paying close to a thousand rand for 300gb local traffic? Who's abusing who?
 
rsd said:
So telkom shift the blame to the ISPs, and strong arm the ISPs into falling into line, because what other option do the ISPs have?

Telkom has nothing to answer to to ICASA, because the ISPs are doing the capping, the ISPs are screwed, because they can't go elsewhere. They could go to IS, but IS is more expensive, and the general public will go with the cheapest.

Edit: Telkom actually have the right idea here, BUT price is just 10 times what it should be.
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Hu :confused: , I thought Telkom was my ISP and I am capped, choked, throttled , killed to the extent that I can only do browsing with any real speed. So why do I need anything more that a 192? At time I feel that my dial-up was more effective, especially if I connected in a hot spot. It seemed that doing this my laptop was a lot faster than it is now on a 512.:eek:
 
R2000/mo of 30GBs of ADSL traffic is so way out of line with global trends. ICASA has to do something. You can the same service for R200-250/mo elsewhere.

That's 10 times more expensive making SA the MOST EXPENSIVE broadband provider in the WORLD!!!!!!
 
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