Traces of explosives found at Nord Stream pipelines, confirming 'gross sabotage,' Sweden says

NarrowBandFtw said:
LMFAO, this OSINT bro
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You really are incredibly insecure, it's probably because you still really don't understand what OSINT is.

This "OSINT bro" is also a journalist who has worked for The Telegraph, Politico, Foreign Policy, The Washington Post, Der Spiegel, Reuters and others.

But you stick to the line the babushka told you to...
 
Dave said:
You really are incredibly insecure, it's probably because you still really don't understand what OSINT is.

This "OSINT bro" is also a journalist who has worked for The Telegraph, Politico, Foreign Policy, The Washington Post, Der Spiegel, Reuters and others.

But you stick to the line the babushka told you to...
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This is purely grasping at straws and trying to distract from what Hersh publicly reported. This is such a poor attempt just like the other ridiculous one I heard which mentioned that it could have been Ukraine that did the bombing of NS1 and NS2. Typical US approach of trying to flood with "potential other explanations/scape goats". We all suspected the US before Hersh and he just confirmed what everybody knew.
And how can any investigation be trusted that is not open to all parties to investigate? By excluding certain parties it taints any investigation. We are all expecting the current investigation to come back with the conclusion that yes there was sabotage but no, we can't say who did it. Then they will likely put forward possible theories about who could be responsible and none of them will point to the US. Laughable and completely following the US playbook.
 
viper13 said:
This is purely grasping at straws and trying to distract from what Hersh publicly reported. This is such a poor attempt just like the other ridiculous one I heard which mentioned that it could have been Ukraine that did the bombing of NS1 and NS2. Typical US approach of trying to flood with "potential other explanations/scape goats". We all suspected the US before Hersh and he just confirmed what everybody knew.
And how can any investigation be trusted that is not open to all parties to investigate? By excluding certain parties it taints any investigation. We are all expecting the current investigation to come back with the conclusion that yes there was sabotage but no, we can't say who did it. Then they will likely put forward possible theories about who could be responsible and none of them will point to the US. Laughable and completely following the US playbook.
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You missed the part were he said he was speculating but he at least uses public available facts to do it.
 
Dave said:
you still really don't understand what OSINT is
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viper13 said:
This is purely grasping at straws and trying to distract from what Hersh publicly reported. This is such a poor attempt just like the other ridiculous one I heard which mentioned that it could have been Ukraine that did the bombing of NS1 and NS2. Typical US approach of trying to flood with "potential other explanations/scape goats". We all suspected the US before Hersh and he just confirmed what everybody knew.
And how can any investigation be trusted that is not open to all parties to investigate? By excluding certain parties it taints any investigation. We are all expecting the current investigation to come back with the conclusion that yes there was sabotage but no, we can't say who did it. Then they will likely put forward possible theories about who could be responsible and none of them will point to the US. Laughable and completely following the US playbook.
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So is Hersh's story credible to you?

Can you explain why a 14 year old teenager in Norway violated Norwegian Law to work with the CIA in the 1970's?

Why Norway would agree to carrying out an operation to destroy Russian infrastructure, right in front of Russia, leaving the security of its vast gas fields at risk? Norway exported less gas in Dec 2022 than it did in Dec 2021.

Or how the ship he claimed was used for this, was verified by satellite photography to be sitting in a scrap yard?

US Playbook? Well a Gazprom pipeline blew up in 2009 when they faced Contractual matters over gas supply contracts with Turkmenistan. After the destruction of the pipe, those contractual issues disappeared.
 
Cosmik Debris said:
To all those saying Russia had no reason to blow their own pipeline, Russia would have owed record penalties. Blowing the pipeline means they can claim Force Majeure and be absolved of the penalty payments:

Buyers of Russian gas in Europe filed lawsuits against #Gazprom for $15 billion After German Uniper and RWE, the largest French energy company Engie has filed a lawsuit against Gazprom over shortfalls in gas supplies. 1/4
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The amount of Engie's claims, which was not officially disclosed, is estimated by analysts at $1.3 billion, based on the fact that the company received 2 billion cubic meters of gas under long-term contracts. 2/4

According to analysts' calculations, the total volume of claims to Gazprom has reached about $15 billion. The record-breaking claim against Gazprom - for $12.5 billion - was filed by the German Uniper, which bought 20 billion cubic meters per year. 3/4

Uniper was on the verge of bankruptcy and was de facto nationalized after being left without a key supplier and forced to buy fuel at high prices on the spot market. The German government spent 29 billion euros to save the company.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628493650752679936
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Is this like when the US froze Russian forex accounts, did not accept payments in roubles and wanted to declare Russia in default?
 
buka001 said:
NS2 ruptured clean off on a pipe joint.

Exactly at the point where the pipe laying contractor had to return to after completion of the pipe and carry out repairs for a month in 2021.

I think NS2 was not the target. I think the explosion on NS1 (the target) caused NS2 to rupture at a defective joint.
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But your BFF cosmik said the welded part was the strongest?? Also, read somewhere NS2 blew up 17 hours before NS1 do there goes your wishful thinking.
 
buka001 said:
Can you explain why a 14 year old teenager in Norway violated Norwegian Law to work with the CIA in the 1970's?
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immaterial, this is 2023 after all ...

buka001 said:
Why Norway would agree to carrying out an operation to destroy Russian infrastructure, right in front of Russia, leaving the security of its vast gas fields at risk? Norway exported less gas in Dec 2022 than it did in Dec 2021.
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duh so they can profit from those vast gas fields, selling to customers who previously had access to cheap Russian gas

buka001 said:
Or how the ship he claimed was used for this, was verified by satellite photography to be sitting in a scrap yard?
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during BALTOPS there was no such pics, before and after does not count, where was it during?

buka001 said:
US Playbook?
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you're talking about a country with a multi-decade track record of shady shyte to their name ... Iraq WMDs anyone? how about Vietnam's gulf of tonkin incident? perhaps you prefer unilateral assassinations of foreign military commanders like Qasem Soleimani on foreign soil? how about pounding a MSF hospital with a gunship for the better part of an hour murdering countless patients inside ala Kunduz?

tbh blowing up a pipeline is mild in comparison to what the USA often does
 
Paulsie said:
But your BFF cosmik said the welded part was the strongest?? Also, read somewhere NS2 blew up 17 hours before NS1 do there goes your wishful thinking.
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Thanks. I missed that.

Quite curious how the different types of damage will be explained.
 
buka001 said:
Thanks. I missed that.

Quite curious how the different types of damage will be explained.
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Not much more info, just an explanation of time frame of events.
news.sky.com

'Sabotage': What we know about the Nord Stream gas leaks and who was behind them

There has been much speculation that an attack by Russia on the pipelines could be a warning to the West not to escalate the Ukraine war further.
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About 17 hours after the Nord Stream 2 reading was taken, a second reading was recorded by seismologists northeast of Bornholm, indicating another incident.

Shortly after, Nord Stream AG, the operator of the Nord Stream 1, said it was looking into causes of a drop in pressure in the pipeline.
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Dave said:
Well, it's true. You're happy to spout Hersh's second hand OSINT (with no way to verify) but not the guy who has forensically dissected (with proof) "OSINT bro" Hersh's nonsense.
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Do you understand yourself the garbage that you type?
 
Paulsie said:
But your BFF cosmik said the welded part was the strongest?? Also, read somewhere NS2 blew up 17 hours before NS1 do there goes your wishful thinking.
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Paulsie, you're speculating. But since your preconceived idea is that Russia is a fellow European country, and highly civilised and essential and requiring domination of Europe, you will post this. I'm not an engineer, but your biological reasoning about those Covid-19 receptors is the sort that a high school student would make with zero background knowledge and no idea what 'natural immunity' even is, and how common it is. Since you're wrong about everything else on this forum and we know you get the warm fuzzies when hearing Russian songs, we can already guess what sort of specious propagandist nonsense you're typing here. NS2 should never have been built and NS1 too is a tool of Russian domination and corruption of Europe. Rus go home. Russia out and to be pushed to the periphery of Europe. That is happening.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
oh FFS stop repeating this obvious LIE, force majeure was already in place since July of that year:
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How do you have force majeure on a functional pipeline? It only comes into play once the pipeline is destroyed.

Sources? I don't expect any as usual.
 
Mirai said:
Paulsie, you're speculating. But since your preconceived idea is that Russia is a fellow European country, and highly civilised and essential and requiring domination of Europe, you will post this. I'm not an engineer, but your biological reasoning about those Covid-19 receptors is the sort that a high school student would make with zero background knowledge and no idea what 'natural immunity' even is, and how common it is. Since you're wrong about everything else on this forum and we know you get the warm fuzzies when hearing Russian songs, we can already guess what sort of specious propagandist nonsense you're typing here. NS2 should never have been built and NS1 too is a tool of Russian domination and corruption of Europe. Rus go home. Russia out and to be pushed to the periphery of Europe. That is happening.
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You are setting off my gag reflexes Mirai. Your post would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

In the end, all I see among the mumbo jumbo assembly of words is:
- I'm not an engineer
- you're wrong
 
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