Tshwane allowing residents to sell electricity back to the grid

Mystic Twilight said:
They can't charge you one set of prices and then pay you a much cheaper set of prices for the same kwh.
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When you start running your own distribution infrastructure then you can make this currently ridiculous statement.

13c/kWh is ridiculous, but so is expecting the same price they charge you for that kWh.
 
porchrat said:
When you start running your own distribution infrastructure then you can make this currently ridiculous statement.

13c/kWh is ridiculous, but so is expecting the same price they charge you for that kWh.
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This.

It makes no sense to pay SSEG suppliers more than what you'd pay Eskom's bulk rate.

I'd have no problem exporting at CoCT's current R1-ish. If they can lower the up-front cost of the meter and the monthly "monitoring fee".
 
If you look carefully at how the spokesperson's response is worded, this is just another nothingburger. You must complete an application and sent it to a black hole.

Tshwane spokesperson Lindela Mashigo said those interested in selling electricity to the grid must complete an application form and submit it to the municipality.

Mashigo said applications would be assessed and approved if “all is correct”, but couldn’t say how long approvals would take.
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Clearly the city has not thought this through or prepared for it in any way. At best, all that they are doing is judging interest. The city's administration has been hollowed out by the Ramokgopa dynasty since 2006 and their legacy of incompetence, maladministration and enriching themselves is still strong.

Don't expect anything to come from this at all.
 
RonSwanson said:
If you look carefully at how the spokesperson's response is worded, this is just another nothingburger. You must complete an application and sent it to a black hole.



Clearly the city has not thought this through or prepared for it in any way. At best, all that they are doing is judging interest. The city's administration has been hollowed out by the Ramokgopa dynasty since 2006 and their legacy of incompetence, maladministration and enriching themselves is still strong.

Don't expect anything to come from this at all.
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Even CoCT administration is a shitshow and hollowed out from AA/EE/BEE. My mother has just finished subdividing her house, what a soul destroying exercise that took 2 years to finish because of brain dead officials.
 
HartsockZA said:
What they don't tell you is, if you want to sell your power back to COT you need to get a bidirectional meter installed by the city and that cost is anything between 8-15k.
What happens if I want to donate to the city, what do I still have to pay for this meter?
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Not only the meter cost, they slapped on a "remote reader" monthly levy to hike to offset their losses from solar. In PE the DA hiked this levy by 260%. Good sosialist cows must give milk.
 
Who in his right mind will want to be in this dumb monopoly scheme where they set the price of what you sell a product to them. Fvck that, I`ll rather waste my additional solar energy.
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
Who in his right mind will want to be in this dumb monopoly scheme where they set the price of what you sell a product to them. Fvck that, I`ll rather waste my additional solar energy.
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Because currently (weak pun) they have a monopoly on who you can sell to. One challenge I see for municipalities is accomodating intermittent power generation from half a hundred different sources. Broadly, solar will generate power while the sun shines (duh) but disappears around say, the winter evening peak. Local zones need to be able to accomodate this which, ideally, should happen automatically but, from my little experience in being involved in a project putting a few (quite stable) MW into a city grid; it doesn't. Not rocket science but requires a bit of distribution network analysis; by who??
 
For a 5kWh battery, storing a useable 4kwh/cycle over 15 years, it works out to 95c/kWh stored (increasing at inflation of 5% per year for 15 years).

A 500W solar PV panel with mountings, generating 2kwh per day, 300 days a year, for 25 years, works out to 26c/kWh (increasing at 5% per year).
 
wingnut771 said:
Even CoCT administration is a shitshow and hollowed out from AA/EE/BEE. My mother has just finished subdividing her house, what a soul destroying exercise that took 2 years to finish because of brain dead officials.
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Oooooof sounds like you needed a better town planner to sort them out!
 
wingnut771 said:
What?
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Subdivisions of residential stands shouldn't take that long! Have been in contact with a whole bunch of TP's that do work in CT and they all maintain it's the best district to work in as the muni is far more efficient than the clowns we have up here in Tshwane or Jozi.

EDIT: Didn't mean to derail the thread - was just a thought :)
 
Mista_Mobsta said:
Subdivisions of residential stands shouldn't take that long! Have been in contact with a whole bunch of TP's that do work in CT and they all maintain it's the best district to work in as the muni is far more efficient than the clowns we have up here in Tshwane or Jozi.

EDIT: Didn't mean to derail the thread - was just a thought :)
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Well as a single woman layman, getting a new water and leccy meter was a nightmare.
 
Oldfut said:
Because currently (weak pun) they have a monopoly on who you can sell to. One challenge I see for municipalities is accomodating intermittent power generation from half a hundred different sources. Broadly, solar will generate power while the sun shines (duh) but disappears around say, the winter evening peak. Local zones need to be able to accomodate this which, ideally, should happen automatically but, from my little experience in being involved in a project putting a few (quite stable) MW into a city grid; it doesn't. Not rocket science but requires a bit of distribution network analysis; by who??
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The word you're looking for is "monopsony" and it's also considered a challenge in economics, almost as much as monopoly.

In a sense, peak and off peak electricity pricing can solve the problem partially by incentivizing consumers to move demand to off peak times. But there are limits to this, obviously.
 
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Budza said:
They should just allow you to keep the spin meter and run it backwards.

Makes too much sense I suppose?
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IS this even possible? I have heard from a few people that your excess electricity from solar go automatically back to the grid and your meter runs backwards on the old meters.
This sounds like BS to me or does that actually work like that?
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
IS this even possible? I have heard from a few people that your excess electricity from solar go automatically back to the grid and your meter runs backwards on the old meters.
This sounds like BS to me or does that actually work like that?
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The really old ones yes.

Obviously they don't like it when you do that.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
What is really old? Our area is like maybe 15 years old and everyone is up in arms about the pre paid meters being installed.
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I guess it depends on the municipality.

All the properties I've had in the last 10 years have had prepaid digital metres. So it's been a while since I've had eyes on one.
 
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