Strikers at Pelonomi Hospital in Bloemfontein armed with sjamboks as frazzled, terrified doctors warn that patients will die

Gyre said:
Interesting you would make it a tax burden thing, stick to the topic once you washed your chin and hands off.

Edit: If it was a white woman would you have made the same comment? Since that one "caught your attention"
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I would actually. And I'm making it a tax burden thing because it is one. But feel free to mount another spirited sjw defence
 
ShaunSA said:
I would actually. And I'm making it a tax burden thing because it is one. But feel free to mount another spirited sjw defence
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I removed the comment coz I felt it was unfair, but regardless this is a topic isn't about single mothers, it's about the strikes.
 
Whats the latest on the idiots? Anything on fire yet or is it still too early for the hard working and dedicated public health care workers?
I heard our local clinic will be closed now...
 
The_Librarian said:
Good call.

Can't reason with some people.
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There is a massive difference between a mother having a baby and a protestor letting people die and burning things down for a protest. We can't begrudge people having families, but I get both your points that you are tired of having to pay tax to assist people that are never going to be able to help themselves.

I just didn't understand how someone can look at a picture of a family and assume to know everything about them, medical aid is something many people in this country will never know.
 
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The_Librarian said:
The strike is going to be intensified.
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I'm not a fan of having military involvement in civilian affairs but where are the SAPS? And they are going to be joining this shitshow so it has to happen. The excessive violence cannot be allowed. Picket, strike, that is your right but not the rioting and violence.
 
Kosmik said:
I'm not a fan of having military involvement in civilian affairs but where are the SAPS? And they are going to be joining this shitshow so it has to happen. The excessive violence cannot be allowed. Picket, strike, that is your right but not the rioting and violence.
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I think we've moved beyond the SAPS being able to quell this stuff anymore in all honesty.

I doubt the military can either, but the SAPS are entirely incapable of bring it under control.
 
ToxicBunny said:
I think we've moved beyond the SAPS being able to quell this stuff anymore in all honesty.

I doubt the military can either, but the SAPS are entirely incapable of bring it under control.
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I've spoken to a few, its not that they are incapable but no-one wants to take responsibility for issuing the instruction. So a lot of times, they are stuck sitting on their hands and I wouldnt want to be one of them without a large backup force tackling these rioters. That is why there used to exist a riot unit and reaction unit, to specifically backup the other forces on the ground that your day to day SAPS could not.

We have lost that part of the "force". Two edged sword, do we need to maintain a unit like that still? One would hope not but then when stuff like this happens what do you do and TBH, after the riots of 2021 ( nearly two years now ) , you would have thought they would have re-looked at this policy.
 
Kosmik said:
I'm not a fan of having military involvement in civilian affairs but where are the SAPS? And they are going to be joining this shitshow so it has to happen. The excessive violence cannot be allowed. Picket, strike, that is your right but not the rioting and violence.
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Well, apparently they are striking on Friday, or so their union, SAPU, announced.
 
Kosmik said:
I've spoken to a few, its not that they are incapable but no-one wants to take responsibility for issuing the instruction. So a lot of times, they are stuck sitting on their hands and I wouldnt want to be one of them without a large backup force tackling these rioters. That is why there used to exist a riot unit and reaction unit, to specifically backup the other forces on the ground that your day to day SAPS could not.

We have lost that part of the "force". Two edged sword, do we need to maintain a unit like that still? One would hope not but then when stuff like this happens what do you do and TBH, after the riots of 2021 ( nearly two years now ) , you would have thought they would have re-looked at this policy.
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I suppose clarification on my incapable statement... :)

I know that they are physically capable of doing it, and guys on the ground probably want to do it, but the management and such do not want to issue the instruction... It ultimately makes the entire Police service incapable of solving the problem.

The solution is ultimately very simple in my opinion, the police need to be given the instructions that if a Protest starts impeding the public, or any people wanting to use a place of business or operate their place of business then rubber bullets are used to disperse the crowds. The only part of me where it becomes tricky is when do they move from rubber bullets and possibly water cannons to live ammunition.
 
Kosmik said:
I've spoken to a few, its not that they are incapable but no-one wants to take responsibility for issuing the instruction. So a lot of times, they are stuck sitting on their hands and I wouldnt want to be one of them without a large backup force tackling these rioters. That is why there used to exist a riot unit and reaction unit, to specifically backup the other forces on the ground that your day to day SAPS could not.

We have lost that part of the "force". Two edged sword, do we need to maintain a unit like that still? One would hope not but then when stuff like this happens what do you do and TBH, after the riots of 2021 ( nearly two years now ) , you would have thought they would have re-looked at this policy.
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Strange that riot control forces are never a problem at the State of the Nation Address, or anywhere else where politicians are involved. Then the pigs are actually heavy handed in their dealings with the public.
 
Kosmik said:
I've spoken to a few, its not that they are incapable but no-one wants to take responsibility for issuing the instruction. So a lot of times, they are stuck sitting on their hands and I wouldnt want to be one of them without a large backup force tackling these rioters. That is why there used to exist a riot unit and reaction unit, to specifically backup the other forces on the ground that your day to day SAPS could not.

We have lost that part of the "force". Two edged sword, do we need to maintain a unit like that still? One would hope not but then when stuff like this happens what do you do and TBH, after the riots of 2021 ( nearly two years now ) , you would have thought they would have re-looked at this policy.
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We do have public order policing (POP), but questions were raised last year with the July riots whether the police have the resources to deploy POP. POP is supposed to be below the Special Task Force. Clearly the contingency plan now was to mobilise and deploy the SANDF where necessary, which again raises questions concerning POP.

During these hard questions, the state proposed to establish an interior police, a gendarmerie or otherwise a public guard. An option I wouldn't approve concerning corruption.

Again, public order is being neglected and with a possible mass strike mobilisation on the horizon, harder questions need to be asked concerning our public order capabilities and contingency plans coming to intelligence (proactivity) and reactiveness by mobilising specialised police and other security services.

Public order is almost now, wholly, outsourced to private security, supported by SANDF deployments. We can't be allowed to be this constraint. The police union embarking on a strike this Friday already questions the budget in maintaining public order which impacts our options. A good idea would be to have an auxiliary which can draw on the reserves, but we can't have that without a doable budget.

Neglect, neglect, neglect...

I am not even going into the training aspects which also comes down to budget in addition to time, availability, quality and scope.
 
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