VW unveils €25,000 electric concept car

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VW unveils €25,000 electric concept car

Volkswagen AG unveiled an affordable electric vehicle that’s a couple of years away from production, putting Europe’s largest carmaker on a collision course with Tesla Inc.

The compact ID. 2all concept previews a car costing less than €25,000 (R488,450) that VW is readying for the European market in 2025.

[Bloomberg]
 
Everytime I see MBB converting euro to ZAR directly and saying that's the price of the car it really irritates me.
 
We're being left squarely behind the rest of the world's economy; gap just grows every day. I'm sure if they figure out a third world hand-me-down that doesn't explode they'll dump it on the market here.
 
"affordable" here probably compared with the other electric cars currently on the market, such as the Audi E-tron GT and other such R3m+ cars.
 
So Germany stepped in earlier this week/last week to halt the 2035 EV-only deadline approval process, apparently someone with a brain realized thousands upon thousands of people across the EU will lose their jobs over the ICE ban, lots of people have already started losing jobs over the full EV pivot.

They want e-fuels (synthetics) to be included as allowable, these are carbon stripped (Using renewable energy like solar and wind) fuels that you can use in conventional engines and petrol stations, they are carbon neutral.

It'll probably be a bit more expensive than normal petrol and diesel, but at least that means the combustion engine isn't going away in a hurry.

Apart from loss of jobs, EVs aren't cheap, and they're actually becoming more expensive to buy, and more expensive to operate as electricity prices climb in the EU, so that means with a full on ICE ban, anyone not middleclass and up won't be able to afford private mobility. Moerse no no.
 
Probably be closer to R600K
Likely R750k thanks to increased tax on EVs here. Unrealistic product for this market, any developing market. I hope lots of people in the first world buys Volkswagen in the coming years as they shed ICE cars because the developing world sure as hell isn't.
 
So Germany stepped in earlier this week/last week to halt the 2035 EV-only deadline approval process, apparently someone with a brain realized thousands upon thousands of people across the EU will lose their jobs over the ICE ban, lots of people have already started losing jobs over the full EV pivot.

They want e-fuels (synthetics) to be included as allowable, these are carbon stripped (Using renewable energy like solar and wind) fuels that you can use in conventional engines and petrol stations, they are carbon neutral.

It'll probably be a bit more expensive than normal petrol and diesel, but at least that means the combustion engine isn't going away in a hurry.

Apart from loss of jobs, EVs aren't cheap, and they're actually becoming more expensive to buy, and more expensive to operate as electricity prices climb in the EU, so that means with a full on ICE ban, anyone not middleclass and up won't be able to afford private mobility. Moerse no no.
This wouldn't be as much of a no-no in the EU as it would be here. Not in cities anyway. Rural areas, different story I guess. But most of my friends in Europe haven't even bothered owning a car at all, neither petrol nor EV.
 
Likely R750k thanks to increased tax on EVs here. Unrealistic product for this market, any developing market. I hope lots of people in the first world buys Volkswagen in the coming years as they shed ICE cars because the developing world sure as hell isn't.
Well the EV Mini costs around R750k. If you compare what it costs in EUR then one could probably make a conversion factor and apply it to this VW.

But I'm far too lazy to do that at this stage in the afternoon.
 
This wouldn't be as much of a no-no in the EU as it would be here. Not in cities anyway. Rural areas, different story I guess. But most of my friends in Europe haven't even bothered owning a car at all, neither petrol nor EV.
Jeez, champ, that's pretty ground breaking critical thinking, you better get on the horn with Volker Wissing immediately and tell him "most of my friends in Europe, haven't even bothered owning a car at all, neither petrol nor EV"!
 
Jeez, champ, that's pretty ground breaking critical thinking, you better get on the horn with Volker Wissing immediately and tell him "most of my friends in Europe, haven't even bothered owning a car at all, neither petrol nor EV"!
What I wrote was more in response to your comment of "with a full on ICE ban, anyone not middleclass and up won't be able to afford private mobility" - that's not as much of a priority for Europeans as it is for us or Americans.
The impact of a ban wouldn't be a complete collapse of everything because public transport would still function and people would get where they need to go. It was an off-hand remark, so I didn't really think it needed an entire essay, but if you want some critical thinking, then here you go.

I understand about the negative impacts of job losses and stuff, but there comes a point where you actually have to bite the bullet and do something. For instance, all the cotton farmers in the American South who had built their livelihoods on the availability of slave labour. There was no easy replacement available, robots hadn't been invented and even today I don't think they'd be capable of picking cotton. But slavery had to be stopped, and they'd need to figure out new plans.

In my mind, "what about people's jobs" isn't a very good argument on this point. To me it comes down to "should we continue using ICE vehicles at all?" (i.e. whatever the whole climate-change or environment question is). If the answer is no, then we've got to bite the bullet and do it. If you want to argue on the other side you've got to say that either the proposed intervention is unnecessary because the stated assumption is wrong (i.e. climate change isn't real) or would be ineffective (something like ICE vehicles being such a small percentage of emissions that a ban would accomplish nothing). "people's jobs" isn't helpful because if those jobs are causing problems then they need to be shed.

You can disagree with me if you want, but don't accuse me of not thinking.

(FWIW, I tend to be more anti-car in my views, I think it's much better to structure the economy and infrastructure to let people prefer public transport. People can own and drive cars if they want to, but then they do it because they enjoy it and can afford it, not because they need to in order to achieve basic functionality. I'd totally ditch my car if I could take the train to work or the bus to the shops.)
 
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