Nashville school shooting: Woman ‘armed with assault-style rifles’ kills six

[Temujin]

Ok, because Dylan sent Tucker a letter, praising Tucker and his views, so was just curious, if Tucker felt that attack was also an attack on Christianity.

You'd have to ask him, but probably did, iirc the 'right' media was saying it was an attack on christians, and the 'left' media was saying it had nothing to do with religion and only about race. So, odds are, he falls into the attack on christianity side

 

[rambo919]

Yeah, because it's 2023 and not 1929, and the context for folks around now and then is different.

We're shocked by school shootings while gramps was shocked by gangland shootings, but the fact remains... seven shot dead then, six shot dead now.

Mass shootings.

So you are saying gangland wars are no different to some crazy walking into as school and shooting wildly?

 

[greg0205]

So you are saying gangland wars are no different to some crazy walking into as school and shooting wildly?

I’m saying three dead in a single event is a mass shooting.

I’m not suggesting or inferring anything other than that.

 

[Kieppie]

Organised crime is your red herring, but I guess I opened the door and let you twist that one to suit yourself.

I had the St Valentine's Day massacre in mind when I typed that gangster post 'cos... seven dead... and seven is more than three, right?

And three is a mass shooting.

It's just math.

Do you lump gang related mass shootings into organised crime or are they too chaotic to be considered as such?

I'm still waiting for politicians to try and fix this problem, which accounts for most gun the deaths, followed by suicide. Yet they continuously use highly visible yet extremely infrequent school shootings or other such events for their own political gain.
Ironically many of the gang hotspots already have strict gun restrictions in place.
Perhaps more focus on grass root programmes that aim to prevent broken homes and single parenthood will yield better results.

 

[rambo919]

I’m saying three dead in a single event is a mass shooting.

I’m not suggesting or inferring anything other than that.

BS

 

[Temujin]

 

[greg0205]

Do you lump gang related mass shootings into organised crime or are they too chaotic to be considered as such?

I'm still waiting for politicians to try and fix this problem, which accounts for most gun the deaths, followed by suicide. Yet they continuously use highly visible yet extremely infrequent school shootings or other such events for their own political gain.
Ironically many of the gang hotspots already have strict gun restrictions in place.
Perhaps more focus on grass root programmes that aim to prevent broken homes and single parenthood will yield better results.

We posted at the same time, so if you don't feel like scrolling up a post...



You might find this shocking, but on your second bit I concur.

Access to guns and suicide is a huge problem, but it doesn't make for good Fox or CNN or MSNBC, or politicking.

Interstate trafficking of guns is also an issue, and I know we've discussed this before... Makes no difference what CA puts on it's books when folks can just drive to NV and get a gun there.

Careful with that last bit 'tho, Kieps, you sound a bit liberal-ie with that, my friend.

What's next, hmm? Free healthcare? Paid maternity leave? PreK? Education?

I for one approve of this new you.

 

[greg0205]

BS

LOL!

You do you, pal.

 

[buka001]

For some reason the way you say this makes you sound like a character from Zoolander.....

For some reason many of your posts remind me of the character from Downfall.....

 

[quovadis]

Are you suggesting that the Black population are just inherently more homicidal that all the other demographics instead?
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the massive gang problem in the US?

Nope you stated "the gang problem becomes quite clear" - so hence my question?

 

[Kieppie]

We posted at the same time, so if you don't feel like scrolling up a post...

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You might find this shocking, but on your second bit I concur.

Access to guns and suicide is a huge problem, but it doesn't make for good Fox or CNN or MSNBC, or politicking.

Suicide numbers I exclude as they'll just find alternative means. This is a mental health issue, not actually firearms related.

Interstate trafficking of guns is also an issue, and I know we've discussed this before... Makes no difference what CA puts on it's books when folks can just drive to NV and get a gun there.

That is part of the problem yes.

Firstly States must have their own freedom to make laws as it's core to the USA.
Secondly criminals won't care if they violate laws to obtain firearms no matter what blockers you put in their path.

Even if you magically remove all guns in the US, interstate trafficking will just become international.

At the end of the day you'll just disarm law abiding citizens without solving the criminal aspect. So you'll undermine peoples right to self-defense and those that require firearms due to their environment.

Careful with that last bit 'tho, Kieps, you sound a bit liberal-ie with that, my friend.
What's next, hmm? Free healthcare? Paid maternity leave? PreK? Education?
I for one approve of this new you.

Strong healthy family units aren't exactly liberal and the free stuff doesn't really solve the single parent issue. I rarely see influential people promoting the importance of this, besides the usual moderate or conservative crowd.
There is too much emphasis on "Self" and not community. There's a proper psychological or philosophical term for this, but at the moment it's escaping me.

I'm most definitely against free tertiary education when cheap alternatives such as community college already exist.
Primary and secondary school are already heavily subsidised and overly costly given it's quality. Universal school choice is a good solution to combat this bloat and Florida is a good example using this.

Free is never free, it is always absorbed somewhere along the line, systematically raising all costs in an endless cycle. Much like the feminist revolution resulted in all prices now being geared toward dual income households.
It would be great if you could separate social programmes from human entitlement/laziness or indentured voting behaviours.
I'd prefer that everyone, even those benefiting from the programmes are forced to contribute. Unfortunately even successful economies, those not relying on petro dollar or the like, struggle to support these programmes.

 

[Kieppie]

Nope you stated "the gang problem becomes quite clear" - so hence my question?

Yes because of the massive difference between the demographics.
Black on black crime is a huge problem, but it's mostly through gang activity.
Latest Justice.Gov death statistics has gang violence at 13% of all homicides (incl suicide, accidental etc).
Do some number crunching excluding the instances of suicide etc and you'll get a clearer picture of how this 13% relates to the Black community.

Feel free to try and explain the x3+ difference another way.

 

[PAYBACK]

This trans devils pronouns are was/were.

 

[rambo919]

For some reason many of your posts remind me of the character from Downfall.....

Dude.... anything and everyone reminds you of him.... your obsession is famous.

 

[quovadis]

Yes because of the massive difference between the demographics.
Black on black crime is a huge problem, but it's mostly through gang activity.
Latest Justice.Gov death statistics has gang violence at 13% of all homicides (incl suicide, accidental etc).
Do some number crunching excluding the instances of suicide etc and you'll get a clearer picture of how this 13% relates to the Black community.

Feel free to try and explain the x3+ difference another way.

Sounds like a lot of thumbsucking assumptions to me.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1641112260784553985

 

[rvZA]

This trans devils pronouns are was/were.

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Just call it what it is. Terrorists. Any person supporting it or looking for any reason to justify the actions are terrorists. Easy as that. This was a terror attack on America.

 

[rvZA]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1641112260784553985

Democratic Terrorists sticking to their guns...

 

[neoprema]

Do you really believe this or are you just sticking to the stupid talking points that are constantly on about. It's always the same with this argument... "you must agree my take on this or you're condoning murder". What utter tripe. That is dishonest, pathetic and shameful way to try have a discussion. Please for the love of all that is sane, use your brain and do some free thinking for once. No other right is so attacked and legislated as the 2nd Amendment.

To explan how wrong your statement is, one of the established and protected human rights is the right to work in just and favorable conditions. Then other policies must be put in place to make that legal right as difficult, expensive and non-convenient as humanly possible. You can't excuse that some people have it easy getting a jobs and others linger in unemployment for years.

There are thousands, literal thousands, something like twenty plus thousand laws in the US at various State, Federal and city/county levels. It's funny how the argument and rhetoric always goes we need more gun laws. Um why not more laws on not killing people. Lets make more laws that make it more illegal to kill people. Obviously the simple law that it's illegal to murder people is not working so we must add more laws to that right?

It's always the same make more laws or you're okay with killing children. Well make more laws about murder or you're okay with killing children? See it's stupid, just like all the We NeEd MoRe GuN LaWs. You don't need more laws. The laws that exist need to be enforced, and not just on the easy soft targets that already comply with the onerous number of laws in place already, but go after the ones that don't.

The simple fact is there are plenty of laws in place to prevent this. They are simply not enforced and the morons with the megaphone posture and peacock with the same rhetoric each time to whip up their supporter base and cling to relevance instead of doing something actually address the issue. Focus on mental health, fund the police and police training address the identity crisis the US is going through. Guns in and of themselves are never, never have been and never will be the issue. The US has been swamped with guns since it was a British colony. Kids, yes kids, used to go to school with their rifle in the back window of the truck, never was it a crisis like it is now. The guns haven't changed, they haven't developed a will of their own or the ability to act. All of this, every single one comes down to some break down in the mental health of the person involved.

This "acceptance" of all this transitioning bs and gender being a construct or state of mind, this stuff will only increase. Snap your fingers like Thanos and magically make every gun disappear and the broken will find another way to kill and make their statement and mark.

I'm so sick and tired of this "gun debate" because the one side will never be honest about it, it always comes down to the same tactics... support whatever nonsense they are saying or you're a child killer or okay with babies being murdered.

The problem is that laws trying to manage and legislate gun ownership and/or the 2nd Amendment are not going to fix the problem. You're right. We don't need more laws, because clearly they're not working. And this debate goes on and on and on and next week another 9yr-old will say goodbye to their parents for the last time when they go to school...another woman will have her last night of suffering at the hands of a violent partner, and another office worker will pour their last cup of coffee...

We need drastic, heard-hitting and far-reaching action - and removing weapons completely is one of those. And yes you can still kill someone with a knife - but you can't easily shoot a number of people with one. Neither can you excuse the death of those at the hands of guns because another way of killing them exists. The one does not excuse the other.

Also, this is a forum - so my opinion won't become law, and possibly not yours either. All we can do is discuss, and hope that one day in the future as we progress as humans and even go to other planets - we find a way to solve the simpler things like not having people die for no reason.

 

[rvZA]

The problem is that laws trying to manage and legislate gun ownership and/or the 2nd Amendment are not going to fix the problem. You're right. We don't need more laws, because clearly they're not working. And this debate goes on and on and on and next week another 9yr-old will say goodbye to their parents for the last time when they go to school...another woman will have her last night of suffering at the hands of a violent partner, and another office worker will pour their last cup of coffee...

We need drastic, heard-hitting and far-reaching action - and removing weapons completely is one of those. And yes you can still kill someone with a knife - but you can't easily shoot a number of people with one. Neither can you excuse the death of those at the hands of guns because another way of killing them exists. The one does not excuse the other.

Also, this is a forum - so my opinion won't become law, and possibly not yours either. All we can do is discuss, and hope that one day in the future as we progress as humans and even go to other planets - we find a way to solve the simpler things like not having people die for no reason.

Here is a fact I see not mentioned in your forum comment. Yes, you can remove all guns from society. Unfortunately, your criminals will still get them from the blackmarket and they can now enter neighbourhoods, schools, shopping centers, whatever and mow down as many unarmed citizens as they wish, rob as many stores as they want. Pretty much like here in SA. Trying to remove all guns will only unarm innocent citizens who had no criminal intentions, while criminals arm themselves with arms on the blackmarket.