Apple TV 4K (2021 vs 2022)

[MentellusMaximus]

Definitely the way to go for Airplay alone as you can simply beam stuff across to it.

May very well find yourself sitting with the MacBook using the TV as a second screen as I often do.

But it is not wired

Sorry, just couldn’t resist.

 

[SauRoNZA]

So I’m not even going to go on about the WiFi thing anymore. To me, I’d get an Ethernet port

Being ‘new’ to the ecosystem, I like the interaction between iPhone and ATV. Specifically colour balance .

I like the photos from iCloud on the TV as well - but adding albums to iCloud really screwed things up on my photos. Regardless, pretty cool

And I was kindly given an old Mac Mini that’s getting an SSD this week to speed it up. Will be trying iCloud on it as well in order to sync everything. Something I found really cool was Airdrop to the Mac . But it didn’t recognise HEIC format of photos, oddly

I’ve heard Google Photos is still better - but I want to see myself and give the ecosystem a chance

If it doesn’t recognise HEIC it’s because it’s running a very old version of MacOS.

Update it and then it should be fine.

I still prefer some things on Google Photos so run them both in parallel. Apple’s Shared Library system wasn’t quite what I expected it to be, but also haven’t actually tried it yet so probably need to do that first.

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

Definitely the way to go for Airplay alone as you can simply beam stuff across to it.

May very well find yourself sitting with the MacBook using the TV as a second screen as I often do.

Yes I don't really use the Macbook pro, wife got it from work, but she also not really using it. It is mostly used for Netflix or F1tv during load shedding. But am thinking of getting mac mini later for myself.

 

[Dolby]

Ask yourself a simple question.

What have you got in place to mitigate someone connecting directly to your home network with a physical Ethernet cable? What’s going to stop them getting open access to everything once they are on the network.

Now ask yourself if anyone can simply do the same thing with your wireless network even though it’s being broadcast across your entire property constantly.

Simple answer is wireless is inherently more secure as a base technology and not as easily exploitable.

Now obviously large enterprises like Investec with a mind on security have many other systems in place to address this and it shouldn’t be an issue, but the reality is you can walk into many a small business with malicious intent and man in the middle their entire network for days on end with nobody being any wiser to it, whereas the same isn’t nearly as simple to achieve with wireless.

lol I’m not in the mood to argue or even read all of that. I skimmed the opening and yes - it’s possible .

But doing the same in a business? I’m not so sure. Even if you get through physical security and into the premises , I’m pretty sure a rogue device is going to knocked off the network if configured correctly.

I’m not going to office tomorrow - but I’ll happily ask the IT security guys what would happen if I plugged in my home laptop on site.

I’m almost certain I still won’t have access

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

Not directly like that no.

You can show your iCloud Photo Library on the Apple TV but would require syncing that to Mac/iPhone first of course.

However if you don’t use iCloud for some reason you can just Airplay anything from your other Apple devices to the Apple TV so indirectly achieve the same thing.

Yes I have a canon app that I normally while on holiday just wifi or BT the days pictures from the camera to the phone. So then I can just Airplay it from phone to Apple tv. just thought I could maybe go direct from camera to Apple tv.

 

[Dolby]

If it doesn’t recognise HEIC it’s because it’s running a very old version of MacOS.

Update it and then it should be fine.

I still prefer some things on Google Photos so run them both in parallel. Apple’s Shared Library system wasn’t quite what I expected it to be, but also haven’t actually tried it yet so probably need to do that first.

It’s running Big Ser which I think said it should ? It’s asking me to update now - but as I know I’ll be getting a new HDD, I’m not bothered yet

 

[SauRoNZA]

Maybe they don’t have multiple high end APs? Maybe they are using Plex with backup movies?

You don’t need high end. Just decent planning and distribution. Modern mesh systems really make it simple and for far less money than wiring up a house.

What does Plex have to do with it? I run 18TB of Plex 4K HDR/DV Dolby Atmos Remuxes all wirelessly without any issues on an ancient HP Microserver.

I say again, from experience managing many different offices and households using multiple technologies at all cost levels that there is no need for Ethernet.

I can and have run my entire house off 2 x HUAWEI AX3’s before. An almost perfect Union that could serve most non-nerd households perfectly for very little money using modern WiFi6.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Yes I have a canon app that I normally while on holiday just wifi or BT the days pictures from the camera to the phone. So then I can just Airplay it from phone to Apple tv. just thought I could maybe go direct from camera to Apple tv.

I mean I wouldn’t say it’s impossible.

Worth checking if the AppStore shows it as having Apple TV compatibility.

Generally though the ATV is a consumption device not a storage device.

 

[SauRoNZA]

It’s running Big Ser which I think said it should ? It’s asking me to update now - but as I know I’ll be getting a new HDD, I’m not bothered yet

Yeah no point doing it now.

Big Sur should support HEIC though. If it not a brand new clean install with a fresh user it may simply be someone overwrote the default app (Preview) to open it.

Should still be able to just press space on the file to Quick Look at it.

Either way would highly recommend doing a fresh install on the new SSD straight off the internet.

 

[SauRoNZA]

lol I’m not in the mood to argue or even read all of that. I skimmed the opening and yes - it’s possible .

But doing the same in a business? I’m not so sure. Even if you get through physical security and into the premises , I’m pretty sure a rogue device is going to knocked off the network if configured correctly.

I’m not going to office tomorrow - but I’ll happily ask the IT security guys what would happen if I plugged in my home laptop on site.

I’m almost certain I still won’t have access

Yeah in most big business there would be many additional mitigations in place.

I’m simply highlighting Ethernet itself without any additional tech stack layers is by default less secure than wireless and that your original statement was false that it’s “more secure”.

 

[capd]

:/

 

[Dolby]

What does Plex have to do with it? I run 18TB of Plex 4K HDR/DV Dolby Atmos Remuxes all wirelessly without any issues on an ancient HP Microserver

… because like I said, not everyone has multiple Ubiquiti APs that achieve 500mbit+ speeds in every corner of their house?

If you’re running a local server with high bitrate streams and less than 50mbps throughout over WiFi - do you think it could be an issue ?

On another note, do you that most people are still using their ISP supplied devices for their WiFi ? Have you any idea what the average download speeds on WiFi are?

As percentage - do you think their are more people getting 50mbit on WiFi 5 devices, as opposed to 500mbit on WiFi 6?

 

[JSRJJ]

I’m not sure what more you want to know?

A wired connection is more stable, secure, faster & reliable . If there is wired available, most will choose that over WiFi.

How is your mobile phone connecting to the network or you still with the telkom where you have a phone connected to the RJ11 port instead on f mobile?

 

[MentellusMaximus]

Yes I have a canon app that I normally while on holiday just wifi or BT the days pictures from the camera to the phone. So then I can just Airplay it from phone to Apple tv. just thought I could maybe go direct from camera to Apple tv.

Not directly from Canon to ATV that I know of or could find, an iPhone, iPad or Mac is in the mix.

I take from camera to Synology NAS using Mac, then can use Airplay to ATV.
Or photos on iCloud.
It seems there is some integration between Synology and ATV that I want to check out for me.

 

[MentellusMaximus]

How is your mobile phone connecting to the network or you still with the telkom where you have a phone connected to the RJ11 port instead on f mobile?

Could explain the regular app crashes on his iPhone not experienced by others

 

[Dolby]

I’m simply highlighting Ethernet itself without any additional tech stack layers is by default less secure than wireless and that your original statement was false that it’s “more secure”.

That comment sounds like something someone would say on a playground to point out a theoretical situation - and then say they primed the other person wrong.

Yes - you’re right … Ethernet is far more unsafe than WiFi (if someone broke onto premises, bribed the guards, deactivate the alarm, passed the beams, set a decoy in another building, broke through the vault door and plugged into the open Ethernet port behind it … using a stolen company laptop and credentials)

But at the end of the day , you’re right

 

[SauRoNZA]

… because like I said, not everyone has multiple Ubiquiti APs that achieve 500mbit+ speeds in every corner of their house?

If you’re running a local server with high bitrate streams and less than 50mbps throughout over WiFi - do you think it could be an issue ?

On another note, do you that most people are still using their ISP supplied devices for their WiFi ? Have you any idea what the average download speeds on WiFi are?

As percentage - do you think their are more people getting 50mbit on WiFi 5 devices, as opposed to 500mbit on WiFi 6?

Did you notice how I mentioned the HUAWEI AX3 which is an ISP provided device?

I’m also not using WiFi6…you don’t need it for 500Mbit connections.

You don’t need 500Mbit connections to start with. A solid 100Mbit in both directions would cater to all your streaming needs.

 

[SauRoNZA]

That comment sounds like something someone would say on a playground to point out a theoretical situation - and then say they primed the other person wrong.

Yes - you’re right … Ethernet is far more unsafe than WiFi (if someone broke onto premises, bribed the guards, deactivate the alarm, passed the beams, set a decoy in another building, broke through the vault door and plugged into the open Ethernet port behind it … using a stolen company laptop and credentials)

But at the end of the day , you’re right

You need to talk to some InfoSec peeps and see what they prepare for and deal with.

It only takes one person and a sales pitch with a Pi in hand to compromise an entire network.

It’s not theoretical at all, it happens daily.

Company laptops often find new homes with very specific malicious intention that has nothing to do with scoring a free laptop.

I’d definitely recommend going to have a chat with those IT guys you mentioned, may very well open your eyes to what exactly goes into really securing an environment from every attack vector.

One day when you deal with a major hack you’ll very quickly look at everything quite differently.

 

[airborne]

What would an Apple thread on Mybb be like without @Dolby aka Trolby going absolutely anal about some useless point!?

 

[backstreetboy]

I can and have run my entire house off 2 x HUAWEI AX3’s before. An almost perfect Union that could serve most non-nerd households perfectly for very little money using modern WiFi6.

This. My Huawei AX3 has been rock solid.