Israeli forces attack worshippers in Al-Aqsa Mosque raid

Vorastra said:
I have bigger weapons.
Like all of history.
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if your right is based solely on violence, then it doesn't matter what model or philosophy is implemented

you lost the argument if your only argument is violence
 
AmutovSaydalim said:
The US bombed the Nord stream pipeline, caring not about how normal Europeans would live through the freezing winter; Now the Israeli attacked a Mosque and arrested hundreds of Palestinians, ignoring their lives and beliefs;
No wonder they are allies:unsure:
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Are you muslim and is that your black dog?
 
saturnz said:
where did I say I was muslim, provide the quote, your inferences are really immaterial
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I think you realized that if you admit being a muslim, then you're restricted to what you can and cannot post, like calling yourself an anarchist?


Am I wrong?
 
saturnz said:
if your right is based solely on violence, then it doesn't matter what model or philosophy is implemented

you lost the argument if your only argument is violence
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Welcome to humanity.

How is anything enforced. Through violence.

The argument stopped mattering when a bigger group than you beat you all to death with hammers and took your stuff.
 
FrankCastle said:
I think you realized that if you admit being a muslim, then you're restricted to what you can and cannot post, like calling yourself an anarchist?


Am I wrong?
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or maybe, I take the position that claims must be substantiated with evidence, and that which cannot be substantiated can be dismissed

I am not under interrogation by you

seems you are more interested in attacking the messenger rather than the message
 
Vorastra said:
Welcome to humanity.

How is anything enforced. Through violence.

The argument stopped mattering when a bigger group than you beat you all to death with hammers and took your stuff.
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that doesn't undermine my position though, the one engaging in proactive violence doesn't have a ideological view

it doesn't make proactive violence the right thing to do
 
Slamz said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1643390120094212097

Kinda reminds of apartheid SA... you know like how the white people killed/abused black people, back then the black people were wrong just like how here the Palestinians are wrong :unsure:
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False equivalence.
Black people never posed a direct threat to the apartheid gov as much as the Palestinians do.

Arabs live in Israel as Israeli citizens as do many ethnicities, so we can't say it's based on race, like apartheid.

Al-Aqsa is a hijacked piece of property built on a blatant lie and that's where the problem is. Needs to go.
 
saturnz said:
or maybe, I take the position that claims must be substantiated with evidence, and that which cannot be substantiated can be dismissed

I am not under interrogation by you

seems you are more interested in attacking the messenger rather than the message
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Your relentless defense of Islam invariably begs the question whether your message is sincere or not.
 
saturnz said:
that doesn't undermine my position though, the one engaging in proactive violence doesn't have a ideological view

it doesn't make proactive violence the right thing to do
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Doesn't it? This is like the people who say communism has never been tried despite communism continually being shown to not work.

How does anarchism work in reality with what I've said? Unless we pretend people will magically live in kumbaya peace and harmony with each other in a magical anarchist future.

Anarchism is nice to ponder philosophically, but in reality everything I've said would be the reality.

Nation states exist because groups work. Hence why small countries always have treaties with bigger countries for protection provided that the smaller countries do what the bigger country wants.
 
Slamz said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1643390120094212097

Kinda reminds of apartheid SA... you know like how the white people killed/abused black people, back then the black people were wrong just like how here the Palestinians are wrong :unsure:
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LOL. Blacks have been (and still are) killed/abused by blacks since time immemorial and many more blacks have been killed by the ANC than what the apartheid government could have hoped to achieve when they were in power.
 
Vorastra said:
Anarchism is nice to ponder philosophically, but in reality everything I've said would be the reality.
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everything you said already exists as a reality, if people act in bad faith nothing works

treaties can exist in anarchism as well

edit: if we are playing a game of chess, and one of us whips out a gun and says "resign or I kill you" that doesn't invalidate the game of chess, it just means one of us is acting in bad faith by using the threat of violence
 
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Supervan II said:
LOL. Blacks have been (and still are) killed/abused by blacks since time immemorial and many more blacks have been killed by the ANC than what the apartheid government could have hoped to achieve when they were in power.
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this, also Islam is many many times more prosperous and powerful than Israel and Modern day Zionisim,
why aren't they helping their brothers? instead of sending them weapons every 20 min.
 
saturnz said:
everything you said already exists as a reality,
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It exists to a much lesser degree and more predictability than if we had anarchism. Why do you think humans developed into larger and larger groups through history, because someone else with a larger group was an issue.


saturnz said:
if people act in bad faith nothing works
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Current society works because large groups called countries severely limit the damage of bad faith actors.

Provided that as long as that society has a common goal. Patriotism and such as a low-level means of creating a common goal.

"I love my country because it's my country" sort of thing. Hence why you see a lot of issues in countries without a clear common goal.

Anarchism is literally just ye olde hunter gatherer style sht from 10,000 years ago that stopped working because people eventually start grouping up and then exerting themselves on others.

saturnz said:
treaties can exist in anarchism as well
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So current society but with extra steps and less overall security.

Anarchism has been tried, and then we all moved to something better.
 
Vorastra said:
It exists to a much lesser degree and more predictability than if we had anarchism.
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you have to provide a citation for this claim

Vorastra said:
Current society works because large groups called countries severely limit the damage of bad faith actors.
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if you think current society is working then you are entitled to you opinion, I'm not sure how the current crop of politicians and bankers are being limited

Vorastra said:
Provided that as long as that society has a common goal. Patriotism and such as a low-level means of creating a common goal.
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except that some people are dictating what is patriotic and what is not, for example, the so called rainbow nation

African nations were divided by nation state borders so that they cannot function as societies with common goals.

Vorastra said:
Anarchism is literally just ye olde hunter gatherer style sht from 10,000 years ago that stopped working because people eventually start grouping up and then exerting themselves on others.
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or simply those in favour of nation states did what they did (with force) as is the case with Africa

Vorastra said:
Anarchism has been tried, and then we all moved to something better.
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I'm not imposing anarchism on anyone, but nation states are imposed on others.

An anarchist questions authority, I didn't suggest its how societies are run.
 
saturnz said:
you have to provide a citation for this claim



if you think current society is working then you are entitled to you opinion, I'm not sure how the current crop of politicians and bankers are being limited



except that some people are dictating what is patriotic and what is not, for example, the so called rainbow nation

African nations were divided by nation state borders so that cannot function as societies with common goals.



or simply those in favour of nation states did what they did as is the case with Africa



I'm not imposing anarchism on anyone, but nation states are imposed on others.

An anarchist questions authority, I didn't suggest its how societies are run.
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How does anarchism not just naturally evolve back into nation states or bigger (yes, I believe that if we become multi-planet it'll be planetary govenments)

People naturally group up because numbers means power.

Who's going to make sure we all stay as perfect little anarchists.

Humans naturally group up.
 
Vorastra said:
How does anarchism not just naturally evolve back into nation states or bigger (yes, I believe that if we become multi-planet it'll be planetary govenments)

People naturally group up.
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I think we are done here, I've made my points.
 
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