Apple TV 4K (2021 vs 2022)

[SauRoNZA]

In almost 2 decades here, I’ve never lied.

But what if I have a 25mbit line? Is that supposed to change the fact I prefer a wired ?

And what was I complaining about? And how am I being a victim?

I’m so confused

Except that one time @bwana caught you using other people’s screenshots to punt your narrative of course…

 

[Dolby]

Except that one time @bwana caught you using other people’s screenshots to punt your narrative of course…

Caught? Because I didn’t get time to 1 of 3 errors, so I took the exact same error elsewhere?

Talk about reaching …

 

[Dolby]

Except that one time @bwana caught you using other people’s screenshots to punt your narrative of course…

I got this error one on Netflix

* not not THIS error !!!
** not on my TV !!!
*** I really did see this !!!

 

[SauRoNZA]

I got this error one on Netflix

* not not THIS error !!!
** not on my TV !!!
*** I really did see this !!!

Sure…except that’s not a Netflix screen from any Apple interface.

Even when you bullshit on purpose you can’t get it right.

 

[Dolby]

Sure…except that’s not a Netflix screen from any Apple interface.

Even when you bullshit on purpose you can’t get it right.

Right. Over. Your. Head. Again.

 

[Dolby]

@SauRoNZA is your Ubiquiti a mesh ?

 

[SauRoNZA]

@SauRoNZA is your Ubiquiti a mesh ?

Yes and no.

Ubiquiti did this mesh thing before everyone else even started calling it that (802.11r) in the sense of having access point roaming managed by the network instead of the client.

But if you mean in the wireless uplink sense, no my backhaul is wired up and the access point don’t connect to each other wirelessly.

I may do this with the one going outside in my chicken coop soon though.

 

[Dolby]

But if you mean in the wireless uplink sense, no my backhaul is wired up and the access point don’t connect to each other wirelessly.

So you hardwired every AP ?
How many APs do you have ?
Why don't you get a mesh like the Deco or something ?

It's easy & convenient?
It's 2023, anyway ?

 

[SauRoNZA]

So you hardwired every AP ?
How many APs do you have ?
Why don't you get a mesh like the Deco or something ?

It's easy & convenient?
It's 2023, anyway ?

5 including the one outside.

Why? Again much like your earlier questions what would be the benefit to me? I’d literally be pissing money away for no reason whatsoever.

Easy? Easy is leaving what I have in place.

Convenient? How is it convenient redoing my phone network?

Also…nothing consumer grade is anywhere on a level with the UDM Pro running my network.

Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[airborne]

Well you could not use YouTube Music…

Sorry I forgot to check if it’s built into the main YouTube app, will try to remember.

What do you mean by that?
If you remember please check, it would be weird to include it in the Youtube app. I actually wish they’d put more separation between the 2 services, thats my main gripe, having all the artist releases clogging up my YouTube feed, I would prefer the 2 to be totally separate.

 

[Dolby]

5 including the one outside.

Why? Again much like your earlier questions what would be the benefit to me? I’d literally be pissing money away for no reason whatsoever.

Easy? Easy is leaving what I have in place.

Convenient? How is it convenient redoing my phone network?

Also…nothing consumer grade is anywhere on a level with the UDM Pro running my network.

Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm trying to get my head around around your thinking .

What way are your hardwired APs better than my mesh ?
I get the same speeds as you with my 7 year old mesh?

And in what way does 400Mbit in the toilet benefit you?
You've spent the last pages saying you don't need the high throughput on the ATV - but you installed 5 hardwired enterprise grade APs to get an average of 400Mbit around the house?

On one hand 'Go Wifi! It's the best! You don't need more than 50Mbs! Otherwise it's overkill!' and on the other multiple hardwired APs giving a huge throughput to the toilet - even though you don't need it?

 

[SauRoNZA]

What do you mean by that?
If you remember please check, it would be weird to include it in the Youtube app. I actually wish they’d put more separation between the 2 services, thats my main gripe, having all the artist releases clogging up my YouTube feed, I would prefer the 2 to be totally separate.

I mean you could use Apple Music and drop YouTube.

But yeah I’m similarly annoyed that I have to pay for YouTube Music as part of YouTube Premium when I’ll never ever use it.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I'm trying to get my head around around your thinking .

What way are your hardwired APs better than my mesh ?
I get the same speeds as you with my 7 year old mesh?

And in what way does 400Mbit in the toilet benefit you?
You've spent the last pages saying you don't need the high throughput on the ATV - but you installed 5 hardwired enterprise grade APs to get an average of 400Mbit around the house?

On one hand 'Go Wifi! It's the best! You don't need more than 50Mbs! Otherwise it's overkill!' and on the other multiple hardwired APs giving a huge throughput to the toilet - even though you don't need it?

When did I claim they are better than your mesh? When did your mesh even come into the conversation?

But generally you always want your backhaul to be wired, purely because it affects all your devices at once and therefore interference can sometimes be an issue, whereas it’s not much of a problem to a single wireless end point.

I didn’t target 400MBit links in my toilet, it’s a byproduct of doing a properly distributed network. Would you prefer I rate limit it to 100Mbit just because?

I also never said anything about 50Mbits, please find it and quote it. I very specifically said 100Mbits UP and DOWN.

You are moving goal posts again. The actual question you should be asking and justifying is why you are running Ethernet cables to your end point devices when your 7-year old mesh is so good?

It makes perfect sense you’d get similar speeds as they are on the same wireless standard and of a similar age. Major difference is mine reaches further and wider and can handle a **** load more clients.

And yes I don’t need it to handle more clients, I just test Enterprise kit because that’s what I work with so why wouldn’t I use it?

My neighbours reap the rewards because throughout load shedding they get free internet.

Because I overdid this network from the very start means I’ll likely not be upgrading for the next 5+ years, maybe even 10.

I’ve tested some WiFi 6 setups and it’s just not worth it at this point in time for my use case. My offices are all going WiFi 6 though, there it matters.

 

[Dolby]

When did I claim they are better than your mesh? When did your mesh even come into the conversation?

Didn't you say the below ?

Also…nothing consumer grade is anywhere on a level with the UDM Pro running my network.

Would you prefer I rate limit it to 100Mbit just because?

Isn't that what you're doing with ATV though ?
Limit to 500Mbit just because ?
The port supports 1,000Mbps - but you're choosing to go slower 'because you just don't need more' ?

and can handle a **** load more clients. ... And yes I don’t need it to handle more clients

So you're wanting to handle more clients, but don't need to ?
Isn't that overkill ? Why would you want to do that ?

I think I've only 40 clients But I bet yours are enterprise grade clients and we can't compare my clients ...

 

[SauRoNZA]

Didn't you say the below ?

Also…nothing consumer grade is anywhere on a level with the UDM Pro running my network.

Isn't that what you're doing with ATV though ?
Limit to 500Mbit just because ?
The port supports 1,000Mbps - but you're choosing to go slower 'because you just don't need more' ?

So you're wanting to handle more clients, but don't need to ?
Isn't that overkill ? Why would you want to do that ?

I think I've only 40 clients But I bet your enterprise grade clients and we can't compare my clients ...

UDM Pro has nothing to do with the wireless itself, it runs my entire network and no your mesh simply isn’t on par there with the data, controls, data, logging and features it offers.

It’s an NVR and an Access platform and even a VOIP system if I wanted to use that. There’s a whole other element to it where you mesh is just a router with some WiFi.

You also forget one thing, the UniFi product line is PoE based meaning no drama with power and also makes it obvious to just wire them anyway even if you don’t strictly have to.

As for the WiFi vs Ethernet (again) the issue wasn’t ever related to limiting your speed, but the effort of specially running a cable and forking over money or labour to do so when it cannot be fully utilised anyway.

It would be a different story if you actually could ever get even 500Mbit throughout with anything on your ATV but you can’t do the speed benefit was never a concern.

Your argument is effectively to say run the Ethernet but limit it to 10/100 which nobody ever suggested.

It is absolutely overkill and I already said so myself if you bothered to read properly.

You’ll note I never advocated for anyone else to follow my lead and do a setup of this magnitude, it’s purely because I have access to these products either for very little money or free thar I use them.

If I had to do redo it right now like if I was building a new house I’d probably do their UniFi Dream Wall with a couple of In-Wall units distributed around the house.

 

[BBC]

@Dolby @SauRoNZA

Thanks guys, just what I needed to know about ATV.

 

[MentellusMaximus]

@Dolby @SauRoNZA

Thanks guys, just what I needed to know about ATV.

But wait, there's more...

 

[BBC]

But wait, there's more...

No, just no

 

[Thrasil]

i like that i skipped 10 pages of responses and i managed to pick it right back up on page 20

 

[Dolby]

It could actually have ended at page 7 .